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S. L. 10-13-2007 10:25 AM

Am I missing value here?
 
MP3 is 78/38/1.87 (74 hands)
CO is 50/0/0.75 (10 hands) basically unknown
BTN is 77/40/2.13 (22 hands)
SB is 44/2.7/0.75 (44 hands)

Table later grew to full ring, so stats are somewhat mixed.
No special reads so far, I just had a feeling that MP3 had some maniacal tendencies.


Limit Hold'em, $0.50/$1 (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
CO posted
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls,

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( 4.5BB )
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero calls,

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 8BB )
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls,

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 11BB )
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

My play was pretty passive, but i can't really see where and why should I press it.

Flop: I could lead out as a semi-bluff, but i was figuring MP3 will just raise me and scare people off (which i probably don't want since the only possible threat to my draw are pocket-pairs, right?);
I could go for a c/r if MP3 bet and there were enough callers, but i don't like to do it with non-nut-draws and espetially when the board is paired. So I figured, check/call is fine.

Turn: C/r on the flop was no good news, but I don't really care, at that point I decided I'm going to SD if i hit a heart.

River: that's the main question; would bet/call, check/raise/(fold?) be better?

jstill 10-13-2007 10:38 AM

Re: Am I missing value here?
 
cr call river, if CO (last guy to act not the one in the middle) had had initiative and been betting the whole time id just donk call the river

as played u know MP does not have a fd 95% of the time, CO could just be going for the overcall but hes gonna have just an A alot and one of the two probably pays u off and occasionally both at these limits, ck calling is definitely passing up value

DavidSRT 10-13-2007 02:27 PM

Re: Am I missing value here?
 
This is a pretty interesting hand. My original thought was check raise the flop, which im sure you would have had the hand played normally (MP3 continuation bet, few calls, raise for value) but he checked. and the button bet. I Like the call here, going for over calls.

Turn looks good.

River I might C/R/C. We can be pretty sure the CO doesn't have our flush beat, because he just called. I would expect MP3 to turn over AK or AQ here.

NH

Fantam 10-13-2007 03:31 PM

Re: Am I missing value here?
 
I am also in favour of a check raise on the river.

arch_angel 10-13-2007 04:38 PM

Re: Am I missing value here?
 
really you're only likely behind 33 or AA, on the river I think it's a check raise for value, especially since the CO will have to call before you raise.

scpi10 10-13-2007 11:31 PM

Re: Am I missing value here?
 
grunch

I would c/r the river and call if he 3 bets.


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