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baaard 11-21-2007 08:32 AM

NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
Villian is a solid winning player ; 23 15 AF 2

Stacked me earlier for a million bb's when i obv couldnt fold aces.

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$821.30</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$800.00</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$521.80</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$800.00</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$1723.80</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$870.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($6, 6 players) Hero is BTN 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">3 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $16</font>, SB calls $14, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($42, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $32</font>, SB calls $32

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($106, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $80</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $220</font>, Hero calls $140

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($546, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $1416</font>, <font color="#777777">Hero ????</font>


what the [censored] is going on here??

lkjhgfdsa 11-21-2007 08:52 AM

Re: NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
I 3bet the turn, as played: ez call, he could value betting worse or bluffing missed draw.

BTW, is it absolute poker? What's his SN?

Pilket 11-21-2007 08:54 AM

Re: NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
An overbet on the river means one of two things: he has the nuts, or he has crap. Looking at his action it looks like he's got 89 and is just trying to call down until the flush draw hits on the turn and he wants draws to pay. The draw doesn't come so he value-pushes with the nuts.

But if he's a solid winning player he could be putting this move on to rep. 89 and bluff you off a pot because he thinks your going to be weak because you couldn't fold aces.

Meh, it's close to me. Flip a coin. I can't fault folding, and I can't fault calling.

Pilket

baaard 11-21-2007 08:56 AM

Re: NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
yeah its AP. villian is sundatoca and Ive been hes bitch this session.

lkjhgfdsa 11-21-2007 09:03 AM

Re: NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
[ QUOTE ]
An overbet on the river means one of two things: he has the nuts, or he has crap.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's not overbet, just pot-sized (hero has ~530$ left).

Mat 11-21-2007 09:18 AM

Re: NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
Call, I don't see a lot of hands that have you beat in his range, only 89s. And you have 2:1. I think you often have an overset.

Pilket 11-21-2007 09:23 AM

Re: NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
Sorry, forgot my inta's this morning.

Hero has to call $532 to win $1610. Basic math, you need to be ahead here about 30% of the time for a call to be profitable. I'd say its close but I'm starting to lean heavily towards a call. Fortunately for the hero, his play is representing just about every playable hand out there and is pretty much inducing the bluff on the turn by calling.

docnuclear 11-21-2007 09:58 AM

Re: NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
I think that this deep he raises a set on the flop.
The only hand I could see him slowplaying on the flop is 89.
Unless he's trying to bluff raise you on the turn, puts you on a club draw and shoves river but I think he has the nuts here a lot of the time.
Moreover, the river makes it 4 to a straight and given your play you could have a straight here so I fold.

ragnar0ck 11-21-2007 12:24 PM

Re: NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
Heeew haaaaw hero, gramma play ass

blankoblanco 11-21-2007 12:25 PM

Re: NL400 Middle set , i vomit (deep)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Heeew haaaaw hero, gramma play ass

[/ QUOTE ]

excellent first post imo. i see accolades in your future


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