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sebastien 09-27-2007 12:50 PM

KTo bb
 
Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
6 players

vilain is unknow
sb is a 67/8.7/1.3 about 103 hands
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG, folds, UTG+1 (poster) checks, 2 folds, SB calls, Hero (poster) checks.

someone raise here??

flop :A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

what is standard play here??

river 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

is it retarded to donk??

billy51 09-27-2007 05:08 PM

Re: KTo bb
 
I would check/call given the scary board. I think there is a good chance villian has Ax so there is a reasonable chance your 2-pair is good. I can kind of see the argument for a bet/fold line, but I usually prefer showing this hand down for at most one bet especially against an unknown. I might be missing some value though, so I would be curious to hear if others disagree.

NevadaKaz 09-27-2007 07:11 PM

Re: KTo bb
 
Preflop: I mix it up between raise and check.

River I mix between b/c and c/c. Here I am liking b/c.

numbnuts007 09-27-2007 07:24 PM

Re: KTo bb
 
I see no reason to donk here. check and call. I would absolutely hate to get raised, if i'm putting a bet in it's going to be to get to a showdown.

JSmith2007 09-27-2007 07:37 PM

Re: KTo bb
 
I don't think it's retarded per se to donk the river, but I think a check is the better play.

For preflop, I think your check is fine, some raise, some check really just player dependent.

On the turn, I'm reraising that, maybe not standard to most, but for me I think that's an easy reraise really. If he's got the jack, you're drawing out anyway so by reraising you're trying to show the jack as well.

More times than not he won't have the jack and will have some ace more times than a jack making your raise +EV.

A check/call on the river is fine, raising dependent on the player.

NinaWilliams 09-27-2007 10:14 PM

Re: KTo bb
 
I check river but donk doesnt seem too bad. He really shouldnt have a better hand here because they either raise pf or dont raise flop.

Pf is an easy raise with a poster in.

jba 09-27-2007 11:09 PM

Re: KTo bb
 
if you're going to donk anywhere it would be the turn

billy51 09-27-2007 11:57 PM

Re: KTo bb
 
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if you're going to donk anywhere it would be the turn

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Just curious, what is the reasoning for leading the turn? Are we folding if we get raised?

jba 09-28-2007 12:16 AM

Re: KTo bb
 
[ QUOTE ]
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if you're going to donk anywhere it would be the turn

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Just curious, what is the reasoning for leading the turn? Are we folding if we get raised?

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we just pulled ahead of a lot of hands in his range and the turn will check through a fair amount when he is behind but he has 10 outs if he has a naked ace. and yes fold if raised. less good things can happen if we donk the river than if we donk the turn.


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