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ceegee 08-16-2007 03:08 AM

persued a 3 card flush too much?
 
I noticed there were very few dead clubs so I went for it.
Tournament - 7 Card Stud High (200/400), Ante 30, Bring-In 50 (converter)

Seat 1: 2,258
Seat 2: 9,264
Seat 3: 2,518
Hero: 6,224
Seat 5: 7,263
Seat 6: 5,558
Seat 7: 1,978
Seat 8: 3,684

3rd Street - (1.20 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes

4th Street - (4.45 SB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (3.73 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

6th Street - (5.73 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

River - (7.73 BB)

Hero: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (9.73 BB - 3,890)

chucky 08-16-2007 03:21 AM

Re: persued a 3 card flush too much?
 
I fold 4th here because one villian probably has pp that we only have 4 overcard outs against at max. I can not figure seat 8s play. Seat 7 you only beat if he has air or pair of 3s on 7th. Pair of 3s being very unlikely.

Wahoo73 08-16-2007 10:15 AM

Re: persued a 3 card flush too much?
 
I definitely dump this on 4th street. IMO, Seat #7 betting-out on 4th street after calling a completion on 3rd street indicates one of two things:

1. He really likes the T he got on 4th street; or...

2. He really likes his big pocket pair.

Given the T that was folded by Seat #2 on 3rd street and the T you got on 4th street, the T villain got on 4th street couldn't give him anything better than Ts over 3s, but this hand is consistent with the way he played these two streets. Even if he does just have a big pocket pair, you are way behind. There is no point in making a short-stacked tournament player healthy by chasing from way behind with a weak draw.

Brad1970 08-16-2007 01:11 PM

Re: persued a 3 card flush too much?
 
Yeah, fold it on 4th.

Andy B 08-16-2007 07:34 PM

Re: persued a 3 card flush too much?
 
Probably fold fourth. When the bring-in bets into the third-street raiser, that looks like a real hand, especially given his shaky-looking board. And presumably the raiser has a hand. It's not like this was the worst call ever, though.

Fifth is also a fold. Yes, you've picked up a pair, but it's completely dead. Sixth is fine. I have a hard time imagining that you'll pick off a bluff often enough to make it worth calling on the river.


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