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berserk 11-24-2007 08:37 PM

10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
Villain is 40/20/1.5 over 300 hands, don't know much about him besides that and that he is not a regular. Also he has 35bb so hes probably a donk.

Folds to villain in SB who raises to $60, Hero calls in BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Villain bets $80, Hero raises to $260 obviously planning to call a shove (which would be $380 more)

Thoughts - unless I plan to fold somewhere in the hand (which certainly could be considered on later streets) then by calling down 3 streets I would be putting in his stack anyways. I'm much more likely to get the money in good/flipping now, hopefully with lots of hands like T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]X. So is this super standard?

schwza 11-25-2007 12:29 AM

Re: 10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
i would usually just call flop. then you can try to get the money in with a big lead if the turn is not a flush card, and if it is you might still win a showdown by checking.

jfish 11-25-2007 11:05 AM

Re: 10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
i never raise flop, but i like it at these stack sizes.

schwza 11-25-2007 12:36 PM

Re: 10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
[ QUOTE ]
i never raise flop, but i like it at these stack sizes.

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meh. if you get it in now you're never a big favorite.

Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ad Td 8d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac 7c 222 22.42 94 9.49 674 68.08 0.565
2s Ah 94 9.49 222 22.42 674 68.08 0.435

Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ad Td 8d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac 7c 615 62.12 375 37.88 0 0.00 0.621
2s Kd 375 37.88 615 62.12 0 0.00 0.379

if i'm villain and i lead with a hand like Tx9d or Kd2x and i get flat-called, i always feel a little queasy. make him feel queasy.

jfish 11-25-2007 12:44 PM

Re: 10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
its only 35bb, getting him to fold a diamond or a pair+diamond is a pretty good outcome. i think its mainly good for fe.

Rampage_Jackson 11-25-2007 01:47 PM

Re: 10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
I'm fine with it. I think he will stack off too easily based off his stats.

berserk 11-25-2007 02:55 PM

Re: 10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
Do people prefer this line or calling flop and shoving over a bet on blank turns?

Praetor 11-25-2007 03:00 PM

Re: 10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
my standard would be to call the flop, but I like this line

MatthewRyan 11-25-2007 04:49 PM

Re: 10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
[ QUOTE ]
Do people prefer this line or calling flop and shoving over a bet on blank turns?

[/ QUOTE ]

vs 35bb retards, I prefer to get the money in and let them have the fun of gambling

luckychewy 11-25-2007 05:34 PM

Re: 10/20, short donk, blah blah line check
 
i still flat the flop w/ his stack size. i don't hate getting it in now but feel like he's a bit too deep for my liking.


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