quick checkup - AK blind battle vs probable 2p2er
 

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 7 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $990.90
Hero (BB): $775.15
UTG: $478.05
UTG+1: $71.90
MP: $777.50
CO: $597.00
BTN: $146.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 Players)
5 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $18.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $54.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $160.00</font>, Hero calls $106.00

Flop: ($320) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $200.00</font>


this is a full ring hand but I'm posting it here since one extra guy folding ahead of us don't mean jack [censored] about playing out the rest of the hand

I've never seen this guy before but so far his play has seemed more or less TAG and his avatar is a picture of aba.

He's at a couple of my tables to my right and this is maybe the fourth time I have threebet him, although that's over a large enough sample of hands that it's not like I'm just relentlessly pounding on him, and I haven't been getting out of line vs anyone else at these tables either. He has folded to each of my threebets thus far. I think he's reaching the point where he's ready to make a stand against me but with our stack sizes here I'm not too thrilled about getting it all in preflop... so... I "float" him. Yes, no?

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i think shoving is much better preflop, but yeah definitely bet the flop, 200 is good

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Looks ok, but I just shove the flop since I hate decisions [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Reraising preflop to $450 is totally hot. Esp given history.

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i think shoving is much better preflop, but yeah definitely bet the flop, 200 is good

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Ur not that deep - and ur giving him the chance to hit a flop that he may go with. I"d just reraise pre.

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just to be clear, betting the flop in a spot like this was part of my preflop plan, so I'm asking about the preflop plan rather than the flop

the basic idea here is that calling his fourbet looks really scary and he should expect me to have a relatively big pocket pair that I'm going to jam on a safe flop, so on flops like this he has to just give up if he was on a bluff.

I forgot to mention this but he fourbet very quickly which I thought meant he didn't have a borderline type of hand like QQ or JJ, I figured either AA/KK or something he was getting frisky with (including AK I guess)

this leads to the next point which is that if he's on air and I flop a pair he might try to represent my hand because he doesn't think AK is in my range to flatcall here... so basically I'm hoping that I can get him to play his hand completely backwards (bluffing when I hit and giving up when I miss). And if he really has a big hand then I can get away on the flop for kind of cheap.

this is just something I've toyed around with a little bit against threebets since no one expects an Axx or Kxx flop to hit you when you've just called them... so you can get people to stack off light because it looks like you're just making a move

eh, I'm kinda rambling now

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I like your thinking and like all streets

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soah,

while that's a great thought, your flat call still looks like AA/KK. AK hits the same flops those hands do, so the deception factor just isn't high enough to justify trying to mix it up with that hand. Just 5 bet like the rest of us.

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if i had a huge hand here and i was him, this is what i'd do.

reraising pf better obv.

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Full-ring TAG regulars are so much nittier in general - especially preflop. I've been playing some FR recently and the average TAG's range here is so heavily weighted with AK KK AA.

If he's 2+2 he's going to probably c/f AK if he misses and you can steal. And if he has KK,AA you dont get stacked unless you hit tptk. And you also get to snap off occassional air.

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When i saw the hand i was like: just shove pre, but i like your reasoning for the coldcall and i think its fine

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re-raise pf

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re-re-re-re-reraise preflop.

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just to be clear, betting the flop in a spot like this was part of my preflop plan, so I'm asking about the preflop plan rather than the flop

the basic idea here is that calling his fourbet looks really scary and he should expect me to have a relatively big pocket pair that I'm going to jam on a safe flop, so on flops like this he has to just give up if he was on a bluff.

I forgot to mention this but he fourbet very quickly which I thought meant he didn't have a borderline type of hand like QQ or JJ, I figured either AA/KK or something he was getting frisky with (including AK I guess)

this leads to the next point which is that if he's on air and I flop a pair he might try to represent my hand because he doesn't think AK is in my range to flatcall here... so basically I'm hoping that I can get him to play his hand completely backwards (bluffing when I hit and giving up when I miss). And if he really has a big hand then I can get away on the flop for kind of cheap.

this is just something I've toyed around with a little bit against threebets since no one expects an Axx or Kxx flop to hit you when you've just called them... so you can get people to stack off light because it looks like you're just making a move

eh, I'm kinda rambling now

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i think this is a pretty good thought, although i'd 5bet shove pre. the stacks are deep enough that if he's getting a little out of line with a hand like 88 he might find a fold now.

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i like and do it all the time (infact i think this is important to do)

but 5beting pre is obvi standard

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I like your thinking and like all streets

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Agreed, baluga does have a point though.

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by the way, "its full ring" doesnt really matter when everyone folds to blind v blind. obviously the overall game dynamic is altered, but in this situation it shouldn't be much different than if it were 3-handed.

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by the way, "its full ring" doesnt really matter when everyone folds to blind v blind. obviously the overall game dynamic is altered, but in this situation it shouldn't be much different than if it were 3-handed.

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this is true (which is what I said in my OP) but full ring does attract different types of players and not all of them are as experienced in blind attacking/defense situations... given the limited info I had on this guy it was hard for me to know how well he would adjust. The stronger FR TAGs play out these spots very aggressively but there are also a lot of them that don't fight back nearly enough.

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it would be neato if you intended to call a push

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if i had a huge hand here and i was him, this is what i'd do.

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ayuh

i havent decided about 5betting pre or not, but i think both are cool. min-5bet would be a little dirty

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If I'm lucky I'll have 3 outs if he pushes.