maniac comes alive on the turn
 

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
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This is another 'player comes alive on the turn' i feel like i have real trouble doin what is best in these situations.

villian is a complete maniac from what i've seen (about 6 hands) caps PF with nothing bluffs etc.

thx

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (13.5SB, 4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (11.75BB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Results:
Final pot: 13.75BB

Re: maniac comes alive on the turn
 

I would have played exactly the same, but perhaps I make the same mistakes :-)
Let's wait for further comments.

Re: maniac comes alive on the turn
 

I'm a new player who has been only doing this for like a week, so it's not anything in your favor to listen to me, I'm just practicing this [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I don't think he's on a straight at the turn, think he would have blindly 3-betted it then. I think he limped in with an Ace and something, just taking a shot at the flop even after your 3-bet.
I'd be scared of the Ace, but maybe he limped with a K3s or something. I'd still think he had an Ace, and was looking what you had on the river, therefore he bets, you raise, and he doesn't like his kicker. He probably has you on a AQ/AK/AA but doesn't know and just takes his chances by just calling everything down on the turn and river...

Well, that's it, my first post and probably my first try at 'reading' an opponent lol. Must be waaay off [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: maniac comes alive on the turn
 

lol, congratz on your first post and thank both of you for your replies.

Re: maniac comes alive on the turn
 

UTG+1 is representing a 2 in his hand on the turn. Given your read, he could well have this, but he could be bluffing too.
When he didn't 3-bet the turn, it looks like you caught his bluff, but he's just too much of a showdown monkey to fold.
If you stand by your read you shouldn't fold the turn bet, and I like your raise.
What would you have done if he 3-bets the turn?

Re: maniac comes alive on the turn
 

Std. If he had a real hand he would have popped you on the turn, not just called the raise.

It's either someone with an underpair to the top card, or a bluff. I see it all the time, and try to punish them for their play.

I don't know where the donk came from, but man do I see it a lot lately.

Re: maniac comes alive on the turn
 

I like the turn reraise, but I would have c/c'd the river for fear of a weak ace. Then again I'm a coward.

Re: maniac comes alive on the turn
 

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I like the turn reraise, but I would have c/c'd the river for fear of a weak ace. Then again I'm a coward.

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You can't check-call the river, you're in position.

And if you really think villain has a weak ace you should fold to the turn donk.

Re: maniac comes alive on the turn
 

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I like the turn reraise, but I would have c/c'd the river for fear of a weak ace. Then again I'm a coward.

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You can't check-call the river, you're in position.

And if you think this is a weak ace you shouldn't like the turn raise.

Re: maniac comes alive on the turn
 

The value bet on the river is a little thin, surely.

What hands are calling that we beat? What hands are folding that are beating us? I think the answer to these questions are none, and none. If utg was taking a stab at representing a 2 on the turn, he folds the river. If utg was checking to see if his middle ace was any good, he makes a crying call on the river. I'd just check behind here mate.