Martial arts standing bag - need advice
 

i want to get a standing bag mainly for kicking. 9-year old son does tae kwon do, and parents and 5-year-old have started. preferably something tall, 6 ft or so. bonus if the bag extends low enough that a 5-year-old kid can sidekick at waist height without hitting the base, but that's not critical. also, stability is key as there will be unprotected drywall behind it. numbered target circles would be nice but aren't necessary.


recs?

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hanging bag not an option i guess?

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hanging bag not an option i guess?

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not really - we'll need to move it occasionally.

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Century has good one that I had in my room, its liek a tri-pod, and you can buy some heavy weights to weight it down. Its about 200 or 300 bucks.

http://www.playwell.co.uk/store/acatalog/1457.jpg

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I assume you're talking about something like this:

http://www.karatesupply.com/assets/images/101761-LG.jpg

The wavemaster ones are high quality. You should know that no matter how solid a free standing bag is, it will move if you kick it reasonably hard. That's just the way it goes. If you don't want it sliding around the floor, you're going to have to get a hanging bag like guids recommended.

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You should know that no matter how solid a free standing bag is, it will move if you kick it reasonably hard. That's just the way it goes. If you don't want it sliding around the floor, you're going to have to get a hanging bag like guids recommended.

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It's a 9 year old and a 5 year old. I'm sure they have a few years before they have to worry about this problem.

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You should know that no matter how solid a free standing bag is, it will move if you kick it reasonably hard. That's just the way it goes. If you don't want it sliding around the floor, you're going to have to get a hanging bag like guids recommended.

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It's a 9 year old and a 5 year old. I'm sure they have a few years before they have to worry about this problem.

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and parents... for that matter, a 9 year old could probably move these types of bags a couple inches with a sidekick.

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You should know that no matter how solid a free standing bag is, it will move if you kick it reasonably hard. That's just the way it goes. If you don't want it sliding around the floor, you're going to have to get a hanging bag like guids recommended.

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It's a 9 year old and a 5 year old. I'm sure they have a few years before they have to worry about this problem.

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and parents... for that matter, a 9 year old could probably move these types of bags a couple inches with a sidekick.

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I was not under the impression that OP would be using the bag. If he is not, I don't think this will be a big enough factor where he would want to choose another bag.

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OOK is giving the best option. There are not many free standing bags with a base shorter than 12"-18". This should be short enough for your 5 year old to throw a side kick and hit the bag. Even if he doesn't hit the bag, the base won't hurt him. They'll probably run you about $200 at Joe's sports (if you live in the NW), or Big 5. You might want to check out a boxing/martial arts gym to see if they'll sell you a used bag.

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Century has good one that I had in my room, its liek a tri-pod, and you can buy some heavy weights to weight it down. Its about 200 or 300 bucks.

http://www.playwell.co.uk/store/acatalog/1457.jpg

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That one seems so close and tight into the stand that it looks hard to use for things like a side kick. It looks like it would be hard to approach from some angles, and go crashing into the support structure a lot.

Also the rods on the bottom for holding the weight look like they would spear a 5-year-old (or an adult) who lost his footing.

I really don't like the danger factor of those, though they look useful.

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You should know that no matter how solid a free standing bag is, it will move if you kick it reasonably hard. That's just the way it goes. If you don't want it sliding around the floor, you're going to have to get a hanging bag like guids recommended.

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It's a 9 year old and a 5 year old. I'm sure they have a few years before they have to worry about this problem.

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and parents... for that matter, a 9 year old could probably move these types of bags a couple inches with a sidekick.

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I was not under the impression that OP would be using the bag. If he is not, I don't think this will be a big enough factor where he would want to choose another bag.

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He said straight out he would be using it. Plus he wants it six feet high.

The difference in how hard an adult can kick a bag and how hard a child can kick it is night and day.

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Aren't those thai bags very long?

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You will be so much happier with a hanging bag. Don't you have a house? Just hang it from a tree branch.

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I assume you're talking about something like this:

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that looks awesome.

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You will be so much happier with a hanging bag. Don't you have a house? Just hang it from a tree branch.

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how much of a pain is it to hang?

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For the kids...
http://rarebirdfinds.typepad.com/pho...nching_bag.jpg

For you...

http://www.gungfu.com/pics_general/p...native_bob.jpg

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You will be so much happier with a hanging bag. Don't you have a house? Just hang it from a tree branch.

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how much of a pain is it to hang?

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Reasonably easy, assuming you+wife can lift the weight of it which shouldn't be too hard. I used to take it on and off; I had one in high school but my mom didn't like the look of it so I'd put it up and use it then take it off and put it in the garage. You just throw a chain over the tree branch and leave the chain there and unhook the bag itself.

It just gives you a way better feeling of contact. Most standing bags pivot at the bottom. That means if you punch or kick high, near the top of the bag, you can exert a huge torque on it even if you're not very strong, which makes the bag tip, which makes the bag move or just gives it an unpleasant feeling of falling away from the impact.

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Yeah, your leg can fly over the top of it with a kick pretty easily. Kind of disappointing, especially since you can do it with a shove.

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I assume you're talking about something like this:

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that looks awesome.

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Actually after thinking about this a little more, this bag might be perfect for you. Whenever adults use these sorts of bags at tae kwon do schools, one holds the bag from behind while the other one kicks, and then they switch. This keeps it from moving all over the place or tipping over. I really agree with the above suggestion of calling local tae kwon do schools and seeing if any have used bags they'd sell.

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also, stability is key as there will be unprotected drywall behind it.

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I'll offer another vote for the hanging heavy bag (which are relatively easy to hang), though you may want to shop for one which has a ring at the bottom. With the ring you can fasten a bungee cord to the bottom and attach it to a hook which you fasten in the floor (if possible) or to a heavy object.

The bags swing a lot, especially with kicks, and you'll eventually destroy a piece of drywall. You will need to put up a piece of plywood or something similarly sturdy to protect the drywall.

Also, I don't know much about the strain on a child using these, but it may be worth it for you to buy an adult sized (80 or 100 lbs) bag for your use and a smaller (25-40 lbs.) bag for your five year old. Kicking a big heavy bag may not be a problem for a five year old, but hitting one could be an unnecessary strain.

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Wavemaster XXLs are pretty much the only option for standing bags, and standing bags are terrible. You'll probably want to fill it with sand instead of water.

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http://www.gungfu.com/pics_general/p...native_bob.jpg


We used to have one of these in my house while growing up and although nobody was formally training on it, we used to use him for everything. He was like a 4th brother. Paintball target practice, taking out frustration by beating the crap out of it, football passing drills, when we needed a more sensitive father figure, etc.

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I assume you're talking about something like this:

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that looks awesome.

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Actually after thinking about this a little more, this bag might be perfect for you. Whenever adults use these sorts of bags at tae kwon do schools, one holds the bag from behind while the other one kicks, and then they switch. This keeps it from moving all over the place or tipping over. I really agree with the above suggestion of calling local tae kwon do schools and seeing if any have used bags they'd sell.

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Sidekicks are often on an upward trajectory and can slide up. So can round kicks and spinning heel kicks. I can see a guy holding one of these getting a kick in the face.

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also, stability is key as there will be unprotected drywall behind it.

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I'll offer another vote for the hanging heavy bag (which are relatively easy to hang), though you may want to shop for one which has a ring at the bottom. With the ring you can fasten a bungee cord to the bottom and attach it to a hook which you fasten in the floor (if possible) or to a heavy object.

The bags swing a lot, especially with kicks, and you'll eventually destroy a piece of drywall. You will need to put up a piece of plywood or something similarly sturdy to protect the drywall.

Also, I don't know much about the strain on a child using these, but it may be worth it for you to buy an adult sized (80 or 100 lbs) bag for your use and a smaller (25-40 lbs.) bag for your five year old. Kicking a big heavy bag may not be a problem for a five year old, but hitting one could be an unnecessary strain.

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Agreed on how much hanging bags swing, even heavy ones. They'll go horizontal or close to it. A tie on the bottom sounds great.

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I was also looking into getting one of these soon. Anyone have anything to say about this Wavemaster:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/...WL._AA280_.jpg

It looks like it has a smaller hitting surface and larger base, making it more stable than the others.

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Train in something other than TKD is my first thought. Have you already signed like a 15-year contract?

Second thought is that Hanging bags are much preferable to standing bags. It's not that much of a hassle, and far better quality imo.

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TKD is good for kids. Works on coordination and flexibility and discipline, and gives them a chance to enjoy being competitive. Just because it isn't that great a fighting art doesn't mean it doesn't still have a lot of virtues.