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jskinn04 07-16-2006 10:21 PM

PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
Should Hero have pushed the turn? Comments about the rest of the hand are welcome, too.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB (t3745)
UTG (t2425)
MP (t1210)
CO (t5965)
Hero (t3760)
SB (t2895)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls t400.
<font color="blue"> BB is loose. She'll call with lots of hands preflop. I tried to steal because I had a very tight, strong image and this player hadn't messed with any of my other steals. I hadn't yet tried to steal her BB, though.</font>

Flop: (t1300) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t800</font>, BB calls t800.
<font color="blue">I wasn't even going to ask... c-bet standard?</font>
Turn: (t2900) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

BB checks, Hero checks.
<font color="blue">I put villain on a medium strength hand here. I said she was loose preflop but I haven't yet seen what she needs to call a big bet with. Should I have pushed the turn? In hindsight, I think I should have pushed because after I let the hand go there were four other stacks much bigger than mine.</font>

River: (t2900) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.
<font color="blue">Can't bluff the river after checking the turn.</font>
Final Pot: t2900

jskinn04 07-16-2006 11:19 PM

Re: PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
Bump. Heading to bed.

EscapePlan9 07-17-2006 12:13 AM

Re: PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
Fold PF. Especially since you said BB is loose. Gaining the 300 chips from the blinds isn't that important to you right now.

bruin 07-17-2006 12:14 AM

Re: PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
I would bet a little less on the flop. More like 650-700ish. Turn check is fine.

After the river, I would consider pushing. You're getting great odds on a bluff and obviously cant win the pot by checking. Villain could easily have missed their diamond draw.

That being said, with your read on villain you should definitely fold PF.

ShipItHereHo 07-17-2006 12:24 AM

Re: PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
*villain folds pf and doesn't run in to this situation*
but since you didnt, im c/f the flop, c/f the turn, c/f the river. this board just looks bad for a cbet IMO.

TruFloridaGator 07-17-2006 12:26 AM

Re: PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
Fairly easy fold PF based on your read.

Oxy 07-17-2006 12:28 AM

Re: PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
I c/f PF with any read; no antes.

taipan168 07-17-2006 01:17 AM

Re: PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
[ QUOTE ]
<font color="blue"> BB is loose. She'll call with lots of hands preflop. I tried to steal because I had a very tight, strong image and this player hadn't messed with any of my other steals. I hadn't yet tried to steal her BB, though.</font>

[/ QUOTE ]
IMO worrying about table image at low buyins is overthinking. 95%+ of low buyin players don't pay attention to anything but their own cards.

DevinLake 07-17-2006 02:00 AM

Re: PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
Preflop: You're ignore your reads...Also, at a $6 you don't have a table imagine. Fold.

Flop: I like this bet.

Turn: If the player is as you describe I'd just c/f here. With the J coming you could possibly get them to drop a hand with an 8 or a 6. However, I don't like your chances of getting a flush draw to fold (which I think is a very likely holding).

River: Same thought process as the turn, but now you can get a busted flush draw to fold. So, now I think a bet could be worth it and you'll take this pot down enough to make it profitable. However, there is a chance your Q-high is good, so a check would be fine as well.

As for not betting the river because you didn't bet the turn: again, this is a $6. Even for me at the $55s, my bluffs that don't really make any sense on the river work a lot. These players aren't really thinking too much about what your sequence of betting means. They just know the strength of their hand and act accordingly.

AmazingErvin 07-17-2006 02:05 AM

Re: PP $6: Small steal turns into all-in decision.
 
I would just call preflop. BB is loose so you can get a lot of chips if you hit a flop and your raise is unlikely to knock them out. This flop I'd just check and hope it gets checked behind me. Like you said, it's a loose BB who is likely to call with a lot so you don't want to bluff at them.


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