Typical insane action Wynn hand
 

I raise on button with AKo, blinds call. 7 ways for 14SB.


flop is 2x3y5x 2 suits - I have a redraw. Checks to me and I bet, 5 players call, the CO raises (old man semi-lag Commerce style - WIDE range with his c/r) I call, all call.

Turn is 4z. UTG bets. UTG is a very loose showdown monkey local, I don't see her bluff much.


1 caller, HJ flashes a 5 and mucks, I call, blind calls. UTG bets X or purple horseshoes river. Guy to my right says "we all have A?" and calls. I don't recall being in this situation before, one of the blinds looks like they are preparing to call. Whats my Action? This hand seems so simple yet its not so easy.

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what would happen if you 3bet the flop? as played call river and expect to lose but win half enough. guy to your right and blind guy probably have two pair or a set.

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I don't think you should raise the river. I also don't think the river caller has anything but an Ace here. You're looking to either chop many ways or lose the entire thing.

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currently 18 bets and 5 players in the pot. If we make these assumptions:

a) 4players have an ace.
b) no players have a 6.
c) 5th player is going to fold
d) we can get one player with an ace to fold if we raise

Then we gain 18/3 - 18/4 or 5.6-4.5 = 1.1BB with a raise.

Sadly, all these assumptions are not always true. UTG has a 6 often. Random other player has a 6 sometimes. The guy with the ace we're trying to fold doesn't fold. I'm pretty sure this is a call.

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Preflop: Standard of course

Flop: I'm not sure I bet this. I can see betting if the game is passive and you expect a free card.

Turn: Good

River: I can't imagine doing anything other than calling.

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How is anybody with an ace folding to our raise? I think raising is quite bad.

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I think the flop c-bet is quite bad. We're never folding out better hands or other aces and we might get c/r'd. Take the free card and reevaluate on the turn.

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what would happen if you 3bet the flop?

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everyone would call. Decisions in multiway pots with overcards are made on the turn LDO [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Guy to my right flashed a 5 and insta-mucked, probably was something dumb like K5s, he is super agro and hates me because I owned him a bunch - in fact I moved to his left so i could own him some more [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


to those who say check the flop - I have the best A, its a passive table, and I have a redraw - I'm betting with the hope that I see a free turn in this massive pot because with the exception of bozo to my right I'm not going to see any action from this table on the flop - I have little to be worried about.

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I think the flop c-bet is quite bad.

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I think the flop c-bet is quite bad.

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Same. Also I fold river here and maybe fold turn, certainly raising never crosses my mind.

-DeathDonkey

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How is betting a 532 board with AK and a BD2NFD quite bad? I don't really understand. I'm not *that* worried about getting CR'd here. DD you realize we made a straight? You have nut high card and the best hand a good portion of the time.

This has me confused.

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I don't think you have the best hand on the flop more than say 5% of the time.

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I think the flop c-bet is quite bad.

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Same. Also I fold river here and maybe fold turn, certainly raising never crosses my mind.

-DeathDonkey

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thanks DD. I agree raising never once crossed my mind but folding the turn and river did. I did a quick equity check in my head and thought (as did CSC earlier in this thread) that calling will show a profit because unless there is a six out there nobody is raising but it didn't feel right.... I think a turn fold is really close to being the best option. I should have used my Omaha brain.

On the flop - I'm going take your word for it that betting wasn't the best option. I felt it was close at the time because of the incredible passivity of the table with the exception of the guy to my right.

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Oh, if we're talking flop, I'm certainly bet/3betting this mutha.

For some reason, I thought your post was leading towards, "should I raise so that this is chopped fewer ways." If that's not your question, then I really can't see doing anything other than call once we hit the river. Given our relative position, I probably fold the turn too. I mean, cripes, there are 46 unknown cards, 4 of them kill us, and 12 cards are out there in players' hands.

(4^12/(46!-34!)) = not good. (did I write that correctly?)

or is it....

42/46(41/45)(40/44)...(30/34) Or... there is a 25% chance that there is no 6 out there. So you fold the turn.

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That isn't really fair. The odds SB defended with an Ace are higher than him having a six.

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Guy to my right says "we all have A?" and calls.

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Allow me to run this through the computer and see how it translates......


result....."I have a 6. This is awesome."

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Guy to my right says "we all have A?" and calls.

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Allow me to run this through the computer and see how it translates......


result....."I have a 6. This is awesome."

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he isnt that tricky, he had an A [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]