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schaef 03-21-2007 01:39 PM

Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
SB is a super loose-passive donator. The button at least tries to play well, but I have him running around 30/10 with very modest aggro numbers. Hero has been fairly card-dead and is probably running around 18/15 if anyone's even paying attention.

I just ran the pokerstove numbers with various ranges, but I'm curious to see what people's first reactions are.

Full Tilt Poker
$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
6 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
UTG: $142.10
MP: $25.60
CO: $21.10
BTN: $64.15
SB: $34.6
Hero (BB): $101.95

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.75, 6 players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.25</font>, BTN calls $2.25, SB calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, MP calls $1.75

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($11.25, 5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $7</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $14</font>, Hero folds or gambles?

noob_sauce 03-21-2007 01:43 PM

Re: Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
gambool!!!!!

Machavelli 03-21-2007 01:44 PM

Re: Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
gamble for sure.

Jouster777 03-21-2007 01:47 PM

Re: Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
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gamble for sure.

[/ QUOTE ] Yes...but gamble with a call not a raise/push.

schaef 03-21-2007 01:59 PM

Re: Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
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gambool!!!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

This is actually the exact spelling and number of exclamation points that went through my head when I played the hand...

schaef 03-21-2007 02:01 PM

Re: Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
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gamble for sure.

[/ QUOTE ] Yes...but gamble with a call not a raise/push.

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Ok, why?

LOwrestling2001 03-21-2007 02:18 PM

Re: Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
because the villain has already raised you, he is not going anywhere, we are more than likely behind already, and have 0 FE at this point. Villain has given us good odds to draw, so we just call that min raise and re-evaluate the turn.

Skleice 03-21-2007 02:24 PM

Re: Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
I would be concerned that there are 3 players left to act. The button had something strong enough to call a preflop raise of 4.5xbb and is now betting into 5 players. Yes he has position, but would he bet into 5 other players on a drawing board if he didn't have something worth protecting. He knows he is going to get called. Not to mention that he is not a aggressive player and he is betting out. If you call, you have to hope that the BTN does not reraise and just calls. And you're only getting a little over 2-1 on your $$$. I fold and pick a better spot to get involved in a big pot.

Jouster777 03-21-2007 02:44 PM

Re: Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
Calling here has nothing to do with reevaluating and being able to get away. There are two huge reasons to call:
1. Your FE is 0 (as lowwrestling points out). The reason we push our combo draws is FE and here we have little. Against SB FE is terrible...then there are 3 other villains to think about.
2. You want a family pot...anyone calling here is likely ahead of you already but at the same time, you are probably ahead of all of them if you hit your outs. Your odds skyrocket with every additional player that calls here and raising only makes them fold.

If this gets raised again you will be happy to get your money in on the flop...just don't be the one pushing the action.

Perk76 03-21-2007 02:52 PM

Re: Marginal Spot with Pair+Draw... Gamble???
 
I find a better spot and fold. There might be a flush draw higher than yours present, and SB may have a set that has a decent chance to boat.

If this hand was open ended straight possibilities along with the flush draw and mid-pair, then I think its a bit safer to continue forward.


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