Noiq gets 1 week ban from ipoker
 

Dear Affiliate,
NoiQPoker will be fenced from the iPoker network from 29th of November - 6th of December this does Not included MTT and Sit n Go’s.

This means non of our players will be able to play cash games against other iPoker skins but cash games between NoiQ players will still be possible.

So NoiQ players will only be able to play against other NoiQ players for 7 days.


The reason for this is as follows:

·Some affiliates have advertised NoiQ's VIP system that's not allowed after the latest policy from iPoker.

·Some sites that contain the name RAKE in it have advertised NoiQPoker. This is not allowed after the latest policy from iPoker.




NoiQ have failed to remove our name from all rake domains. We have done our best but it's hard to find them all.


We have also done our best to let our affiliates know about iPoker policy but still some affiliates mention the VIP system.


What will happen:


No races, bonuses, payouts, deposit or so on will be affected by this.

Players will still have their deals and chance to win cash from our Race.


NoiQ will on the other hand be more strict against affiliates and send our more e-mails to our affiliates so everyone understand our rules.


We are extremely sorry that this effect your players.

We have searched the net to find a site that mention NoiQ in a way that don't follow the iPoker guidelines and it's almost impossible to find one. A problem is that some affiliates have sub affiliates with the name www.bobbobduddelyrakepoker.com and these domains are extremely hard to find for us so please in the future be more careful about where your sub affiliates will advertise NoiQPoker.


It's hard for us as it might be for many of you since we are doing our very best to follow all the rules something we really feel we are doing.


NoiQ will run a $50.000 race for 7 days! and run extra freerolls to compensate this.


After the 6th of December everything will be back to normal.

Please contact me if you have further questions.


Best regards,

Nils Erik
Affiliate Manager

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This is deffinatley unfair from my point of view and there are plenty of sites that has violated ipokers policy alot more. This is getting out of hand. I dont believe there is any danger for the players money though.

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Theres no danger for any players money. Its the iPoker network that decided that NOIQ was going to be loged off for 7day. I think its weird and it's a really bad time to do so but thats my opinion.

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That seems rather rotten of the network. How can a poker site control every single one of its affiliates.

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That seems rather rotten of the network. How can a poker site control every single one of its affiliates.

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Someone has to be responsible and the poker site has to be responsible for their affiliates. I am sure they are happy with a one week ban in the long run compared to the site that got kicked off.

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Tough break for noIQ.. hardly any games running there now..
I wish I kept my client open- because I think you could still be playing there if you kept your client open without running the update on startup..

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I'm going to email Ipoker and thank them for their brilliant move of pissing off high volume players on their network.

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That seems rather rotten of the network. How can a poker site control every single one of its affiliates.

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Someone has to be responsible and the poker site has to be responsible for their affiliates. I am sure they are happy with a one week ban in the long run compared to the site that got kicked off.

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This is extremely hard to do. With several 1000 affiliates you can imagine its impossible to keep them all in line. They can only punish the ones they discover and I think ipoker is being way to harsh in this case cause from my intelligence its only about offering VIP deals

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NoiQPoker will be fenced from the iPoker network from 29th of November - 6th of December

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This makes me happy.

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That seems rather rotten of the network. How can a poker site control every single one of its affiliates.

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Someone has to be responsible and the poker site has to be responsible for their affiliates. I am sure they are happy with a one week ban in the long run compared to the site that got kicked off.

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This is extremely hard to do. With several 1000 affiliates you can imagine its impossible to keep them all in line. They can only punish the ones they discover and I think ipoker is being way to harsh in this case cause from my intelligence its only about offering VIP deals

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Here's the problem:

Large poker room spends thousands of $$ on marketing campaigns to bring in players, paying several hundred dollars per player. New tiny poker site launches, does zero marketing, and offers rakeback. High volume players that the large poker room spent hundreds to attract, skip over to the rakeback skin. Large poker room ends up having paid hundreds of dollars for .01/.02 limit players.

Party Poker solved it by permanently fencing off Empire Poker(at least until Empire's value had dropped to bottom barrel and they bought them up for pennies compared to their old value) and the other skins. At least in this case you're only looking at a one week ban.

iPoker doesn't expect NoIQ to police every affiliate, but they don't want affiliate managers empowering illegal private offers either, and that's what's happening.

As a rakeback affiliate, I'll give whatever amount it takes to players to stay competitive, to a point. If my affiliate manager says "here's 65% revenue share, give how much ever you want, just keep it private" that's what I'll do. If they say "Here's 40%, and if I catch you giving more than 30%, our relationship ends," then guess what... - I'll give 30%.

NoIQ doesn't have to police every affiliate. They really just have to police their affiliate managers.

Their solution isn't perfect. The only room that can't be loopholed is Poker Stars and that's because they don't have revenue share as an affiliate payment method. However, enforcing the existing rules laid out to new skins will have a trickle down effect.

Here's the only real solution IMO. Do what sites like Cake, Carbon and SunPoker have done and have the rakeback deals administered by the poker sites themselves after the player has signed up through the rakeback affiliate. Special high volume deals could then be made between the player and the poker site.

The affiliate programs might even have to ditch the affiliates ability to see individual player rakes, but that's really no big deal as long as they provide the players their rakeback stats within the poker software.

A few things will remain constant though. We as players will always want another 1%. We as affiliates will always want to have the highest offer. Finally, as long as the poker sites and networks put the rakeback programs in the hands of the affiliates and affiliate managers, this war will continue.

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This is [censored] ridiculus! There's 2(!!!) 400 tables running, ZEEEERO NL600 running.

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Due to this and other issues surrounding iPoker I will stop allowing requests for VIP/cashback at iPoker effective this weekend. I don't want some affiliates crossing the line to ruin it for everyone. I will lock the thread when the software changes over.

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The ipoker skin that got the boot, Maestro poker, PMed me with some ridiculous offer, which I dismissed.

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I see your point coach. But I really think you should know that there is a very small % that plays under rakeback. Most players just play for fun and does not do much research on the best offers and so. I also disagree in those "special deals" from what I know there havent been done such deals in latest time by any of the affiliate managers. I have read through the aqusations of ipoker and noiqpokers responces. It seems that the cases they used to document this were not noiqpokers fault at all. Also the fees noiqpoker pays for advertisement are the big % they pay the affiliates working for them. This is much more than the comercial fees for the bigger sites. The markets fundemental, the ones offering the best total package (good support, rakeback, promotions and more) should get the most players, not the ones doing the most comercial. I feel no pitty for pokerrooms taking 90%+(- the networks fees) of a players rake and giving very little back.

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so if i get this right:

it is a fight between large and small rooms where the players get [censored]

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so if i get this right:

it is a fight between large and small rooms where the players get [censored]

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It's really the network vs skins. I'm sure if the skins got to vote on it there would be rakeback on iPoker. There was open rakeback for a couple of years and then off and on since.

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well the network doesn't loose any money if skins want to promote rakeback.
if the network has some interest it's because large skins that spend tons on adv put pressure on them to try to limit smaller skins to make those offers and "stealing" players.
so it's really between large and small rooms which fight thru the network.

or not?

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well the network doesn't loose any money if skins want to promote rakeback.
if the network has some interest it's because large skins that spend tons on adv put pressure on them to try to limit smaller skins to make those offers and "stealing" players.
so it's really between large and small rooms which fight thru the network.

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This is my impression aswell

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The bigger skins get upset when small skins enter the network and their only marketing is rakeback. iPoker wants new players, not players lured from other skins. This is why they made a rule (is it still a rule?) that you could only have 1 account on iPoker. The skins were playing cut throat with each other instead of bringing in new players.

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Yes correct...

Before people start throwing toys out of their pram, the following is not directed at iPoker specifically but has been seen in almost all networks...Party, Boss, OnGame, iPoker, Prima, Crypto at some point...

The difficulty and problems often occur when a network owns a big skin of its own....

Gieffe said that really the network doesn’t lose out as the battle is between the skins, but in the case where the network owns a big skin they do as they are losing margin on their own skin. (iPoker has Titan, Party had Party, Crypto- Inter, etc.)

The trouble usually starts when a network does impose a policy (that it has probably sought from existing affiliates) on rakeback from day 1 across all skins regarding rakeback – whether to allow it (capped) or not allow it
Of course this results in skins undercutting each other through rakeback affiliates and in some cases, the network’s affiliate managers for its own skin are also offering rakeback as affiliates, of course being able to offer the highest rates possible since they have no real network fees to pay.

Without a clear policy it becomes a “one rule for some, one for another” network

PokerAddict believes that most iPoker skins would permit rakeback if put to a vote and we believe this to be true. What is really needed is a strict cap in place. We have already seen the iPoker is prepared to play hard ball with Maestro, so if strict rules were in place then skins would be very unlikely to break the rules, given it would mean expulsion.

As discussed earlier in the thread, poker skins should not be held responsible for its affiliates as it is difficult to prevent a rival skin setting up a dummy rakeback site and advertising a competitor with rakeback. Yes the honest skin can end the bogus affiliate account but they cannot force the banner or text to be removed from the rogue’s website. Now we are not for one minute suggesting that this was the case with NoiQ – but there is only so much they can do in terms of emailing what they believe to be a genuine affiliate.

Regarding the iPoker issue
They are apparently still honing their rakeback policy document and that is why nothing has been seen, but rumours about domains containing rake or offering rakeback etc are rife, but the trouble is that nothing has yet been communicated to the masses on
As it stands there are still well respected rakeback sites (who are not rogue and can be controlled) still listing NoiQ and Titan on the same page with rakeback offers....who knows what punishment might be meted out

Impartial and objective as ever

RakeTheRake

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good post, it clarifies a lot. the fact that ipoker owns titan explains everything.

by the way i play on ipoker 75% of my hands and to me it's the best network out there for many reasons.

i have just written what are my ideas on the subject