1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

Not many hands played so no reads. Thoughts on bet sizing and river decision?


No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
2 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, BB calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $28</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($68, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $40</font>, BB calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($148, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets $88</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero???

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

looks fine as long as you called river imo.

I put him on AsXo, a jack, or a busted draw. I really cant see a hand that beats you taking this line tbh. I would breifly consider shoving, but how often is a worse hand going to call? not to mention no stack sizes given.

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

Stupid converter. 100bb stacks.

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

Is there any value in shoving the flop? It seems like the logical play to me, as a Q,T,8, or spade makes our hand nearly impossible to play. That being said, I only play SNGs.

EDIT: meant to say shoving the flop.

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

I like how you played it, now call river.

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

I guess I should rephrase my comment. Why are we calling the flop? And how do we play if a Q,T,8, or spade falls on the turn?

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

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I guess I should rephrase my comment. Why are we calling the flop? And how do we play if a Q,T,8, or spade falls on the turn?

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if you get it in on this flop, best case scenario you are flip. The rest you are drawing to 4, or 2 outs.

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

I see, I'm used to playing donks who will call a shove here with a lone spade.

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I see, I'm used to playing donks who will call a shove here with a lone spade.

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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.707% 55.35% 00.35% 548 3.50 { Jd7h }
Hand 1: 44.293% 43.94% 00.35% 435 3.50 { As8d }

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

is taking i flip on the flop so bad? we are not too sure where we are, so it might be quite nice to either take down the pot there and then or flip. not sure if this is a good suggestion though, as there probably is more value to be had.

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is taking i flip on the flop so bad? we are not too sure where we are, so it might be quite nice to either take down the pot there and then or flip. not sure if this is a good suggestion though, as there probably is more value to be had.

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Well tbh, its not quite a flip, we are just a little better than that. Only problem is its a flip a best. This hand is SA/WB for getting the cash in. Letting the turn blank shoots our equity through the roof and gets more value.

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So, we are assuming that we have no fold equity with a shove? If I am the villain in this hand I check raise with a wide range but I am not calling the shove with out a made hand or maybe a monster draw

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

I don't see any problem with just calling the flop and shoving a non spade/non 8 10 turn... atleast our fold/hand equity would be higher and if he folds he now thinks we're tricky

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

This strongly seems like As7 or As9 to me....

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

Turn play: I didnt shove as it was early in the match and I wasn't sure if villain was going for another check raise. I am not sure I ever shove this, would this be a viable option? It seems like I only ever get called by hands that beat me whilst losing value from drawing hands. Clearly if another spade falls I will fold. I think value betting the turn is the better option. Thoughts?

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I call river for sure. I might actually raise to 76.00 on the flop and shove the turn though too.

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I felt that raising the flop would result in getting hands that beat me to shove (sets, str8, flushes) and hands with decent equity against me to shove such as combo draws (flush and str8; flush and pair). i felt a safe turn would be a much better option. If others think that raising the flop is better can you explain to me your reasons. Thanks.

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

It is the kind of flop where people always have the nuts when they raise you. I guess he had T8? I like how you played it. I would play it the same way, but I wouldn't be thrilled about calling. It is a crying call on the river.

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NH but never fold river

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I instafold river.

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I instafold river.

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If you will fold river, you should fold the flop. I am not advocating that though.

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

I don't understand flop shoving here, take a look at that:

Board: 9s Js 7s

Wins Ties Equity
44.50% 1.04% 45.54% ( Jd7h )
53.41% 1.04% 54.46% ( QT, T8, As2+, As2s+, TsJ, Ts9, J9, JJ, 77, 99, 86, 8s9, Ks2s+, Ks2+ )


Dunno if it's weak but I'm checking this turn. I'm with a very weak hand given the cirscunstances and to control the size of villain's bet on the river is pretty much my only concern. With a possible str8 + 3-flush on the board it's hard to distinguish between villain being on a draw or with an already made hand, making it very hard to call/fold to big bets on the river even if it's a brick, hence the pot control. Thoughts?

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 

I agree getting it in on this flop is bad. We should not fold this flop though. Also, villain does not always have the nuts here vinetou with so many combo draws out there. The river I think is a fold purely because if villain has As and catches one pr Ace on river he checks. The river looks like a nice value bet.