NL400: KK, played to maximize my expectation?
 

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $328.10
UTG+1: $345
MP1: $400.30
MP2: $449.40
MP3: $88
CO: $434.40
Button: $554.70
SB: $481.65
Hero: $395.20

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises to $16</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to $50</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($118, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets $88</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($294, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $80</font>, MP2 calls.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($454, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $177.2</font>, MP2 calls.

Decided to try out some pokerstars as the ongame FR games weren't so active, anyways this spot comes up every now and then and only recently have I understood how important it is to just coldcall the bet, if I 4bet, I will always get stacked by AA, AK/QQ will fold because my hand will be obvious. How do you like the flop play? if the turn is a Q and he continues betting I'm throwing my hand away, otherwise I think I get the max out of QQ this way?

Re: NL400: KK, played to maximize my expectation?
 

just c/r AI on the turn.

Re: NL400: KK, played to maximize my expectation?
 

and if he checks behind with QQ? well I don't know if he calls 80 with QQ but just a somewhat more safe way to get money in the pot just incase.. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: NL400: KK, played to maximize my expectation?
 

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just c/r AI on the turn.

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CRAI on turn isn't going to work if villain has QQ, as he is surely checking behind, and he may even check the turn with AA (I know I would here sometimes). I actually like how OP played it a lot. Villain is going to have a very hard time folding to the turn mini-bet, and then he's likely gonna convince himself he's priced in on the river.

Re: NL400: KK, played to maximize my expectation?
 

I agree that just smoothcalling with a hand like KK is a good play now and then, but is this a good spot for it? Completely OOP vs 2 opponents? I think this is rather a general question but I would like to hear some opinions on that.

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I agree that just smoothcalling with a hand like KK is a good play now and then, but is this a good spot for it? Completely OOP vs 2 opponents? I think this is rather a general question but I would like to hear some opinions on that.

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The thing is, as I explained, I could then just aswell 4bet with 78s, because I don't know many players who would call/shove over my 4bet with QQ/AK and AA is stacking me

Re: NL400: KK, played to maximize my expectation?
 

Yes, I understand that reasoning. But say you don't hit your K on the turn but a brick comes off? How do you continue? c/c turn and river then? I'm just interested...

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no I was definitely going with the hand, the only worry is how to get the max from QQ/AK, I would prolly play it about the same way with a blank turn

Re: NL400: KK, played to maximize my expectation?
 

Push preflop.

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Push preflop.

[/ QUOTE ] ok, why?