are micro limits crushable?
 

anyone put in like 100k hands of say 25nl and had a great amount of success? or is the big rake and general variance due to perpetual donk beats too much to overcome? love to hear feedback about beating these levels or is it just not worth it to grind through them.

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If you have a great deal of success at 25NL you will find yourself bankrolled for 50NL and move up. So, your answer is no. No one has played 100k hands of winning 25NL, that would be stupid. Many, many players have beaten the 25NL level and moved up. I'm sure many players have played 100k hands of losing or break even.

I checked my PT data base and I have 10,137 hands of 25NL with a winrate of 5.98bb/100hands.

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If you have a great deal of success at 25NL you will find yourself bankrolled for 50NL and move up. So, your answer is no. No one has played 100k hands of winning 25NL, that would be stupid. Many, many players have beaten the 25NL level and moved up. I'm sure many players have played 100k hands of losing or break even.

I checked my PT data base and I have 10,137 hands of 25NL with a winrate of 5.98bb/100hands.

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i beat nl25 for a pretty good winrate and it was pretty low variance , worst i ran was something like -8buyins which is that bad ,,,,i played something like 125k hands with a 4ptbb winrate ...played so much at 25nl because i kept getting crushed when i moved up and had to move back down a couple times until i eventually got comfortable playing 50nl ..

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I have and yeah, it is beatable. The reason I haven't moved up (I have gone between 25nl and 50nl a few times) is because I have withdrawn money several times as well. The last time I took a look at my stats, at something like just over 90K hands, I was at about 9ptBB/100. The level is definitely beatable, and honestly it is actually pretty damn easy to beat.

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nice. so what were your guys PT numbers beating it at these rates? just ramming the nuts or what?

i'm new to online poker, been a successful live player and starting at micros..

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I have and yeah, it is beatable. The reason I haven't moved up (I have gone between 25nl and 50nl a few times) is because I have withdrawn money several times as well. The last time I took a look at my stats, at something like just over 90K hands, I was at about 9ptBB/100. The level is definitely beatable, and honestly it is actually pretty damn easy to beat.

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Wow, 9ptbb/100. Coach me? I can kill 10nl but i can't for the life of me beat 25nl. I don't understand if I'm running bad or what. I've tried every style of play at this level. TAG, LAG, etc. I've tried everything from a 17/10 style to 25/17 etc. I just don't get it. I got stacked 8 times today in under an hour. I keep getting called by middle or bottom pair to have the villain hit on the river and then shove into my overpair. Man any help would be really appreciated. I've read all of Pokey's stuff as well as other relevant posts and still am having trouble at this level.

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play where people respect raises...

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I think my stats were on the tight-side, like 16/6/2.5 probably. I let them do the work for me. And honestly, I just ABC my game. I try to find the absolute loosest tables and if it starts getting tight, I quit and find something else. If I am at a tight table I loosen a little, but typically I don't go crazy, basic TAG, if a bit tighter than most.

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I keep getting called by middle or bottom pair to have the villain hit on the river and then shove into my overpair.

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I'm at 16k hands myself and the variance also seems pretty sick to me but it's good to hear that it's crushable.

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Yes I know I should kill myself or whatever... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

http://www.msu.edu/~honeajoh/NL25.JPG

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Why not move up? I dont get it.

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the only two ways to really lose at small limits are they play better than you or you dont play well enough to overcome the rake. that should be easy to get a feel for.

variance is not an issue in poker if you play within your means and play well and dont tilt.

when they dont respect your raises you are in a good game.

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Why not move up? I dont get it.

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Well, first of all I'm completely clueless when it comes to playing no limit regardless of how my bankroll is.

And I have played a fair amount of NL50. Probably about 40k hands so not enough to have a real idea how I'm doing but my hourly is significantly higher playing NL25.

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I've always found 25NL alot easier to beat than 10NL for whatever reason and I defiantly feel you could crush it, but if you're crushing 25NL you're definatly on par to play 50NL with the proper bankroll imo.

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I've always found 25NL alot easier to beat than 10NL for whatever reason and I defiantly feel you could crush it, but if you're crushing 25NL you're definatly on par to play 50NL with the proper bankroll imo.

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I'm glad I'm not the only that thinks this. I seem to lose at 10nl and win at 25nl.
It's those damned 10nl sharks..

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I've always found 25NL alot easier to beat than 10NL for whatever reason and I defiantly feel you could crush it, but if you're crushing 25NL you're definatly on par to play 50NL with the proper bankroll imo.

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I'm glad I'm not the only that thinks this. I seem to lose at 10nl and win at 25nl.
It's those damned 10nl sharks..

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$10NL on FTP can be tough at times. It's hard to find a table that doesn't have a bunch of short stacking nits that sit with $2. Also FTP has a $2 max rake on those tables and that's borderline robbery.

I'm just curious as to what kind of win rate people have pulled in the $10NL on FTP.

I pretty much broke even ( <2PTBB/100 ) on the $10NL tables. Now I'm playing $25NL with a much better win rate (table selection seems easier and the rake doesn't seem to hurt as much, although it still stings).

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anything below 5ptbb/100 at any level below NL100 is pretty lol really over a decent sample

if you can't beat the games over a good sample you are doing something very wrong and should do something drastic about your play immediately.

read all the stickies, subscribe to cardrunners or leggopoker or both, post hands, just think about the fundamentals

also i can easily imagine that NL10 is harder to beat than NL25 cos of the rake, but you should be able to crush both limits fairly easily