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Chancery 01-20-2007 03:26 PM

Big hand ($2/4) against total fish-- standard?
 
I loved this hand preflop-- but really hated the flop. MP1 is a total fish at a 85.71 VPIP-- I still wonder if I should have called the river with two weak pair?

Absolute Poker
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8SB, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (11.5BB, 3 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 bets</font>, Hero folds, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to MP1.

Results:
Final pot: 11.5BB

franknagaijr 01-20-2007 03:38 PM

Re: Big hand ($2/4) against total fish-- standard?
 
Sounds like a little bit of ego got into your decision making. Your thinking might have been as follows?

I am better than player x, therefore, I can chase top pair, backdoor nut low w/out redraw, and backdoor flush, inside straight.

Edit - I wonked it on the spreadsheet, and assuming you had perfect outs for the low, flush and straight, your total equity was still only 20%. That's a clear fold to me.

Chancery 01-20-2007 03:47 PM

Re: Big hand ($2/4) against total fish-- standard?
 
How would you have played it differently?

Chancery 01-20-2007 03:51 PM

Re: Big hand ($2/4) against total fish-- standard?
 
I mistyped the hand originally-- it is MP1 who is the 85.71 VPIP, not the BB. The BB is pretty fishy, but much tighter. BB almost always bets into flops.

franknagaijr 01-20-2007 03:53 PM

Re: Big hand ($2/4) against total fish-- standard?
 
I'm okay with the preflop raise, but I'm not crazy about it. I think I could have found a fold on the flop, if I wasn't on tilt at the time.

LetsGetItOn 01-21-2007 02:54 AM

Re: Big hand ($2/4) against total fish-- standard?
 
Fold on flop.

Heron 01-22-2007 06:28 AM

Re: Big hand ($2/4) against total fish-- standard?
 
Preflop I call and then fold on the flop but I think it's OK to call one small bet on the flop given the raised pot.

The turn card is fine but after MP1's raise I would fold because of the danger of getting quartered. Given his agressiveness he may well raise with nothing but a draw to a nut low.

Once on the river I would have called with aces up if BB is not capable of a check raise.


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