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danny8 09-17-2007 08:21 AM

50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $53.85
BB: $18.80
UTG: $48.25
CO: $30.90
BTN: $28.30

Reads: <font color="blue">villain was 38/6/0.7 over 35hands. just seems generally l/p, no other real reads

ive been playing tag but i dunno if hes thinking</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $3.00, BTN folds

Flop: ($8.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $27.40</font>, Hero...

is this a call or fold? i think im prolly behind his range but with the draws and Jacks he might play like this am i good enough of the time to call? or does he have a K here all the time?

what odds am i getting? its $21 for me to call into a pot of $40... so im getting... 3:1? or 4:1. or is it $20 to win $60, the final potsize.. i really should work out the basic stuff...

thanks!

Rythm 09-17-2007 08:33 AM

Re: 50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
So many of these players just love to slowplay here IME, so I think you have to call this. You're getting 40:21, which is roughly 2:1 (40/21:21/21=1.9:1).

Kingz22 09-17-2007 09:47 AM

Re: 50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
ALL IN BABY (actually don't listen to me I've never even tried the 25 or 50NL)

bsball8806 09-17-2007 11:14 AM

Re: 50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
I lay this down very quickly. I don't believe AJ does this. The only hand we could be up against is Q 10 hearts, which should hopefully have folded PF. Against Q10 we're roughly 56% to win, whereas against even a lone king we're almost a 90/10 dog.

freeucm 09-17-2007 11:18 AM

Re: 50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
pits check/fold the flop, 88 hands right off the bat beat you. betting is ok, as played fold. Lets not count the KJ .


Good luck!

scallop 09-17-2007 11:20 AM

Re: 50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
If you belive that he could be doing this with draws as well as a King then you should call:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.059% 45.95% 00.11% 20014 49.50 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 53.941% 53.83% 00.11% 23447 49.50 { AJs, KJs+, K5s, QTs, AJo, KJo+, K5o, QTo }

jiacstrap 09-17-2007 11:28 AM

Re: 50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
I think your giving this guy way to much credit... I don't see him pushing here with a king

sightless 09-17-2007 11:29 AM

Re: 50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
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I think your giving this guy way to much credit... I don't see him pushing here with a king

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i dont see him pushing without a king );

corsakh 09-17-2007 11:32 AM

Re: 50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
I dont like betting this flop.

danny8 09-17-2007 11:44 AM

Re: 50nl, AA on KKJ flop , call or fold?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I dont like betting this flop.

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i dont like it either, but i cant think of a better option... c/c then checking turn basically tells him i dont have a king.

whats your line? c/r? or c/c all the way? c/c then c/f doesnt seem like a v.good option


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