this prob belongs in SSNL
 

Full Tilt Poker Game #1730713543: Table Canfield (6 max) - $200/$400 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:46:32 ET - 2007/02/04
Seat 1: hcdnttb ($56,722)
Seat 2: Son-in-Law ($53,694)
Seat 3: noataima ($41,612)
Seat 4: Grimstarr ($63,142)
Seat 5: eyaldream ($11,000)
Seat 6: pareshjain ($23,399)
Son-in-Law posts the small blind of $200
noataima posts the big blind of $400
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Grimstarr [Qs Qc]
Grimstarr raises to $1,400
pareshjain folds
hcdnttb calls $1,400
Son-in-Law folds
noataima calls $1,000
*** FLOP *** [4d Qd 3c]
noataima checks
Grimstarr bets $4,400
hcdnttb folds
noataima calls $4,400
*** TURN *** [4d Qd 3c] [2d]
noataima bets $13,200

56 got there. diamonds got there.

is standard play to call and hope board pairs w. plans on folding to riv shove if it doesn't?

btw for those who don't kno noatima hes pretty passive overall. limps preflop a lot. check-calls draws like its his job.

Re: this prob belongs in SSNL
 

I agree with yor thought processes. I dont think villan shoves a lower set on the river

Re: this prob belongs in SSNL
 

well i didnt think like that at the time and i shoved...

Re: this prob belongs in SSNL
 

Yeah...smooth calling turn is best.

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definitely should just call here. Shoving = bad idea against noatamia in this spot.

Re: this prob belongs in SSNL
 

i hear as you move up the stakes you get too cool for converters confirm/deny

Re: this prob belongs in SSNL
 

I like calling turn to control pot. If board doesn't pair then you can hope he checks it down with you. By pushing on turn, unless he is bluffing he is not going to fold.

Re: this prob belongs in SSNL
 

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pretty passive overall. limps preflop a lot. check-calls draws like its his job.

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This is a gross shove...

Re: this prob belongs in SSNL
 

im gonna go a different path here.

youre getting 2:1 odds here. he has ~21k left after this (note this is barely more than 1.5*13.2k). you need 3.5:1 odds to profitably call here (assuming set/straight, but it seems very high probability he has that), and youre BARELY getting 3.5:1 implied to hit a boat here if he does have straight/set. i think this makes calling now and folding to a river shove on a non Q65432A diamond (all the great/terrible rivers for you) river is terrible.

(unlikely) if he is EVER capable of pitching the hand if the board pairs this could even be a fold. also have to ask yourself if he ever plays a set this way. if you think its close to certain he would not play a set like this AND its possible he folds the river if it pairs then ok you can fold now, but i would say this is generally a bad idea, especially at 200/400nl.
(more likely) if hes not capable of folding paired board, or if he could have a set here, you should probably call safe rivers like a 9o, or really any of the cards i didnt mention before.

Re: this prob belongs in SSNL
 

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im gonna go a different path here.

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Please don't.