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whyzze 11-29-2007 02:42 AM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
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is taking i flip on the flop so bad? we are not too sure where we are, so it might be quite nice to either take down the pot there and then or flip. not sure if this is a good suggestion though, as there probably is more value to be had.

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Well tbh, its not quite a flip, we are just a little better than that. Only problem is its a flip a best. This hand is SA/WB for getting the cash in. Letting the turn blank shoots our equity through the roof and gets more value.

mattak 11-29-2007 02:51 AM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
So, we are assuming that we have no fold equity with a shove? If I am the villain in this hand I check raise with a wide range but I am not calling the shove with out a made hand or maybe a monster draw

bigbluffben 11-29-2007 03:04 AM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
I don't see any problem with just calling the flop and shoving a non spade/non 8 10 turn... atleast our fold/hand equity would be higher and if he folds he now thinks we're tricky

ata 11-29-2007 03:22 AM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
This strongly seems like As7 or As9 to me....

pureklas 11-29-2007 10:50 AM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
Turn play: I didnt shove as it was early in the match and I wasn't sure if villain was going for another check raise. I am not sure I ever shove this, would this be a viable option? It seems like I only ever get called by hands that beat me whilst losing value from drawing hands. Clearly if another spade falls I will fold. I think value betting the turn is the better option. Thoughts?

People_Mover 11-29-2007 01:01 PM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
I call river for sure. I might actually raise to 76.00 on the flop and shove the turn though too.

pureklas 11-29-2007 02:30 PM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
I felt that raising the flop would result in getting hands that beat me to shove (sets, str8, flushes) and hands with decent equity against me to shove such as combo draws (flush and str8; flush and pair). i felt a safe turn would be a much better option. If others think that raising the flop is better can you explain to me your reasons. Thanks.

Vinetou 11-29-2007 07:29 PM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
It is the kind of flop where people always have the nuts when they raise you. I guess he had T8? I like how you played it. I would play it the same way, but I wouldn't be thrilled about calling. It is a crying call on the river.

Supwithbates 11-30-2007 03:22 PM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
NH but never fold river

En Passant 11-30-2007 04:10 PM

Re: 1/2nl cash: 2 pr on 3 flush board
 
I instafold river.


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