Another Difficult Spot with JJ
 

from tonight's 100k, no particular "reads" on villain, he's restolen preflop a couple times but nothing too special to distinguish him.

Seat 1: timos69 (16194 in chips)
Seat 2: Jedi Ken (37357 in chips)
Seat 3: Papa Bull XL (21446 in chips)
Seat 4: HERO (42495 in chips)
Seat 5: iMaFeLtU (5289 in chips)
Seat 6: robben888 (18425 in chips)
Seat 7: Strawberrys (62050 in chips)
Seat 8: J.Siv (5938 in chips)
Seat 9: rivermanl (38274 in chips)
timos69: posts small blind 1000
Jedi Ken: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Js Jd]
Papa Bull XL: folds
HERO: raises 3000 to 5000
iMaFeLtU: raises 189 to 5189 and is all-in
robben888: folds
Strawberrys: calls 5189
J.Siv: raises 649 to 5838 and is all-in
rivermanl: folds
timos69: folds
Jedi Ken: calls 3838
HERO: calls 838
Strawberrys: calls 649
*** FLOP *** [Td 2d 6c]
Jedi Ken: checks
HERO: bets 12000
Strawberrys: raises 22000 to 34000
Jedi Ken: folds
HERO: ??

I have ~25k left and although there's a ton of money in the pot and I have an overpair, I really don't see much that I can be ahead of, 1010/22/66/QQ-AA are all way ahead of me, I basically have to hope that he has a diamond draw or would do this with 77-99. I'm not 100% sure why I bet 12k on the flop, I figured ~40% flop bet would be enough to push out any hands that missed or that were behind me pf but it gives me a decision to make, should I just be firing a pot commiting bet on the flop?

In hindsight I kinda wish I woulda limped preflop so if the shorties shove then I can iso shove.

Re: Another Difficult Spot with JJ
 

If you are even thinking about folding to a raise why would you bet 12k into an 'empty' sidepot?

Re: Another Difficult Spot with JJ
 

ez fold.

Re: Another Difficult Spot with JJ
 

I don't expect him to be flat calling big pairs that often with the short stack all in and your 5000 already in there. Seems like most of the time they'll iso pre with that much in. That makes me want to say get it in on the flop.

Re: Another Difficult Spot with JJ
 

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I don't expect him to be flat calling big pairs that often with the short stack all in and your 5000 already in there. Seems like most of the time they'll iso pre with that much in. That makes me want to say get it in on the flop.

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This seems correct, the likelihood of a bigger pair is very low. OTOH, you look very strong, you're betting the flop into 2 people with 2 all-ins, plus putting in a big chunk of your stack (which looks to Villain like you're pot-committed) and he's raising you, which you have to believe means he thinks his hand is good against everybody, which looks very much like a set. I think I'd fold.

Whether to bet the flop is close -- you're likely best against the two players still in the pot, but the presence of the 2 all-ins means your hand could already be behind, and is going to have to hold up anyway. I have no clue what the best course of action is there.

This is one of the strangest hands I've ever seen preflop.

Re: Another Difficult Spot with JJ
 

While the likelihood of huge PP isn't that great, it's not negligible either. Many players overvalue these hands and want to "build pot" w/ them. On the flip side, w/o a significant read, it's definitely possible he has something like a10,q10s, or a decent draw. Either way, I don't think ur getting enough pot odds here to call against his range. Fold. By the way, you can't limp jj preflop here given ur stack size and as previously posted, don't bet out into empty side pot w/ intention of folding to significant heat.

Re: Another Difficult Spot with JJ
 

ok, in regards to betting the "empty" sidepot, there's still 30k in the main pot and considering the two shorties had 2.5 BBs, I have to assume that given flop i'm ahead of them so can I really check the flop and allow an overcard to hit the turn when I'm OOP?