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eigenvalue 09-12-2007 07:25 AM

NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
Reads: BTN is a station, SB is a solid regular.

Is this correct: Push>Fold>Call?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $292.50
UTG+1: $83.80
Hero: $361.15
Button: $208.80
SB: $395
BB: $610.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($28, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $30</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $120</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000"> Hero?

oli1980 09-12-2007 07:27 AM

Re: NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
fold is correct. You have to discount many outs

13_Xerxes 09-12-2007 07:31 AM

Re: NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
Why do you pot the flop if you don't shove when you're raised ?
I bet smaller (20-ish or 15) and I probably call (because deep) or shove if I'm raised (induce bluff by small bet).

You've 12 outs two times if you shove and a Royal Flush draw. But I fold, because I am not a gambler (see the stacks) and 999 is probably good.

Nick Royale 09-12-2007 07:31 AM

Re: NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
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fold is correct. You have to discount many outs

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Umm, hero has 11 outs to the nuts.

docnuclear 09-12-2007 07:34 AM

Re: NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
push. He has 2 pair and sets some (although wouldn't he reraise squeeze some with 99 TT ???) but I think he has a combo draw a lot here (7d8d, Jd8d)which you are so ahead of. Plus you have some outs, the pot is big and he might fold bottom 2.

thac 09-12-2007 07:34 AM

Re: NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
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fold is correct. You have to discount many outs

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Umm, hero has 11 outs to the nuts.

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12?

oh, 9d not the nuts. im tired/dumb.

docnuclear 09-12-2007 07:38 AM

Re: NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
how do you put a hand range in pokerstove, I can't seem to be able to do it ???

thac 09-12-2007 07:41 AM

Re: NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
Btw, we're 40% against top two here, but I'd wanna keep BTN around (especially since we're like 180bb deep), call and see what happens on the turn.. or is that atrocious?

Nick Royale 09-12-2007 07:48 AM

Re: NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
I would not pot the flop, I would bet $20-22.

How to react vs this c/r comes down to how often this is a draw/combo draw. I don't think this is a combo draw that often from a solid reg this deep, there's not many combo draws possible and at least 50% of them has us beat already. I think this is A9+ most often against which we have less than 38% equity. I like calling, keeping the other player in with a fd or whatever he holds, I wouldn't mind him pushing after we call giving us better odds when calling the 3-ways shove.

So I like calling and hitting one of our 11 nut outs, we're getting 2.3:1 immediate with a chance of even better if the 3rd player calls. We need about 3.2:1 immediate if we have 11 outs and thus we need only like $80 in implied odds to call having 240 behind vs the reg.

Call&gt;shove&gt;fold imo.

Imrahil 09-12-2007 09:15 AM

Re: NL $200 KQs Nut FD vs Reraise
 
I like calling because of stacksizes plus the station donk is left to act and he may very well call giving us 3 to 1 odds.


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