Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about what to
 

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $6.25
BB: $24.60
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $48.65</font>
MP: $22.00
CO: $43.85
BTN: $0.00

<font color="black">Reads: </font><font color="blue">Villain is playing 4 tables, and is 21/18/4.5 over 67 hands. Judging from his bet sizes and lines in a couple of hands, he doesn't seem bad at all.

I've been running 18/15/16. Can't recall him ever 3betting me before this.</font>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Ahttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $2.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($7.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Qhttp://legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif (2 Players)
<font color="red">BTN bets $6.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $6.00 returned to BTN


Pot Size: $7.25 ($0.35 Rake)


Is this optimal?

Re: Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about
 

How big was his stack?

Let's say he has JJ to AA, AK and AQ. Then you are pretty dead. Your chance could be, that he has AK or JJ and folds to a reraise. But that would cost you another ~$18. Guess I would fold here and give him the $3.50.

Re: Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about
 

action is all screwed up.....convert the hand on a diff converter or do it manually

Re: Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about
 

Wow.. yeah that's the first time I've seen the lego converter screw up like that.

OK

I raised from MP to $1, Villain who has like $60 makes it $3.50 from BTN, I call (?)

Flop comes like in OP, and I check/fold.

Re: Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about
 

AKo is going to be a RIO hand post-flop against this guy which argues for a 4bet or fold.

Re: Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about
 

I definitely agree Antoine.. that is sorta what I want to discuss here.

In spots like these the general conscience in the forum is to flat call. IMO this is a horrible approach for several reasons.

Re: Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about
 

fold...

we're OOP against an unknown and he hasnt 3bet light yet

Re: Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about
 

I'm not sure I like 4 betting either, even this deep.
This is a tough situation that I have trouble with too, I'll be interested to see more responses.

Re: Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about
 

Your relative range is way under-represented because you will do this with any PP, AK, AQ, etc etc. So when he bets the flop he thinks you have a very wide range, and you may have some FE. For that reason I think that you can raise the flop and get away with it, but its a high variance play and its not something that I would actually do myself.

For that reason, I guess I would prefer a 4bet preflop, or a call here and a turn bet. But I'm not so clear on these spots myself, as my recent threads illustrate...

Re: Where a good player 3bets me and I have NO [censored] idea about
 

I'm not clear on what to do here either. I used to 4bet shove if I think there's some junk in there, some people say call and CRAI on 'suitable flops' where you think you may both have missed, others like a small 4bet, but this usually pot commits you.

??? unfortunately if you don't know what his three-bet range is.

I can't fold here though - you are ahead of his range.