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SuperSnort 11-11-2007 06:50 PM

is this that bad a fold?
 
after seing wazz angry about no converter i went to get one [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

i wasnt really thinking properly here, was my fold here really as bad as i think it is now i look at it??

Poker Stars
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter


Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K♦ 8♥ J♥ 9♣
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button raises to $11, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO calls.


Flop: A♥ T♣ 2♣ ($45, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button checks.


Turn: 7♥ ($45, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $36, Hero calls, UTG raises to $186.75, CO folds, Button calls all-in $147, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $3.75 returned to UTG.


River: Q♥ ($447, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $447)



Results:
Final pot: $447

Pg9 11-11-2007 06:56 PM

Re: is this that bad a fold?
 
you have to try again... set converter to 2+2 format!

wazz 11-11-2007 07:17 PM

Re: is this that bad a fold?
 
looooooool

SuperSnort 11-11-2007 07:30 PM

Re: is this that bad a fold?
 
me = fail :-(

Buzz 11-11-2007 07:34 PM

Re: is this that bad a fold?
 
SuperSnort - I don't have a converter, but you don't need one to change those numbers to suits. Just do a search and replace in your word processor. Use square brackets, [ and ], around the name for each suit.

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]; 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]; J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]; 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img];
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button raises to $11, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls, CO calls.


Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]; T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]; 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]; ($45, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button checks.


Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]; ($45, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Button bets $36, Hero calls, UTG raises to $186.75, CO folds, Button calls all-in $147, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $3.75 returned to UTG.


River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]; ($447, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $447)

Voila!

Buzz

Pg9 11-11-2007 09:41 PM

Re: is this that bad a fold?
 
Buzz, i think that is more difficult... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Just go to http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php and choose 2+2 format

To the hand:
I tried to put UTG and Button on a hand but i'm not sure, any reads?
Button: 7789 with clubs? KQQJ ?
UTG? slowplayed Aces? 789T?

Playing around with these hands it looks like you have about 30% equity although there are cases where it could be as low as 20%.
If you like gambling (and variance) call, if you like to play it safe: fold...

Well, I would fold but thats just my oppinion and I'm still learning this game...

crashwhips 11-11-2007 09:48 PM

Re: is this that bad a fold?
 
I am never folding here, though I think calling is close to neutral EV.

SuperSnort 11-11-2007 11:02 PM

Re: is this that bad a fold?
 
well the player who isnt all in had 300$ left, i covered, and he had Ac3c3h4h, so top pair and two flush draws (my heart draw was higher) and other player had 101075. can someone give me the pokerstove odds on those hands? thx

Pg9 11-11-2007 11:19 PM

Re: is this that bad a fold?
 
you gave no suits for the TT75 hand so I assumed it's rainbow

board: AhTc2c7h

Ks8hJh9c 41.67%
Ac3c3h4h 22.22%
TdTh7c5s 36.11%

so the button has TT75, why does he not bet the flop?

crashwhips 11-11-2007 11:30 PM

Re: is this that bad a fold?
 
[ QUOTE ]
well the player who isnt all in had 300$ left, i covered, and he had Ac3c3h4h, so top pair and two flush draws (my heart draw was higher) and other player had 101075. can someone give me the pokerstove odds on those hands? thx

[/ QUOTE ]

It doesn't really matter what they actually had, but rather how you do against their range of hands. For instance, you're in really good shape against two bare sets, but in really bad shape if the other players have clubs, higher hearts, and some of your straight outs. I'd say against their range you have on average about 30% in equity, so it's a +EV call in the long run.


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