TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

NL 100

Stack sizes = 130

Hero raises in middle position with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

All fold, till villian calls in the big blind.

Flop comes 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Vilian checks, I bet 6, villian raises to 12. I call.

Turn comes 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villian bets 28 into a 32 dollar pot. Fold right?

Re: TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

6max or fr? not that it matters much, still a call. why would you fold this?

Re: TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

Call. What are you beat by?

He's unlikely to have a 2, and even more unlikely to have JJ. This is a flush draw or a weaker jack most of the time.

Re: TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

You are only ahead of a flush draw. Are you willing to back up your stack with a pair of Jacks and ace kicker? Now if you call, what are you thinking? A call only has two purposes, either you are trapping your opponent (you think your hand is better and want him to put him more money in future streets), or you are drawing to win.

Don't be a calling station. If you play like Novles and call the turn $28, what are you going to do if the villain put in another $50+ into the $80+ pot with a non club river?

The advice from Novles and SABR42 are awful.

Re: TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

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If you play like Novles and call the turn $28, what are you going to do if the villain put in another $50+ into the $80+ pot with a non club river?

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Call, collect money.

Re: TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

I'd call but fold to alot of river bets. But a fold isn't bad.

Re: TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

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You are only ahead of a flush draw.

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You are joking, right? Weaker jacks play like this all the time.

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Are you willing to back up your stack with a pair of Jacks and ace kicker?

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That's read dependant, but your hand is fairly strong here on this board. Simply implying "don't go broke with top pair" is terrible over-generalized advice.

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Don't be a calling station. If you play like Novles and call the turn $28, what are you going to do if the villain put in another $50+ into the $80+ pot with a non club river?

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Call again, and expect to be good most of the time.

And often being a "calling station" in position is the best way to extract money from weaker hands and missed draws that will bluff the river. If you raise at any point in the hand worse hands will simply fold, so you don't gain any value. And if you fold ace-jack on this board this easily you might as well just put on a skirt.

Re: TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

Basically what the above said is: "I call, call and call. I don't know what you have and I don't know if I can win. But I call and hope to collect money most of the time."

Re: TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

This is QJ or KJ a lot. Sometimes even 99 or TT. JJ, A2s and K2s may be in his range, too, depending on villain. Also possible is complete air trying to push you off of AQ/AK/mid-PP.

Calling here is about defining a range for your opponent and understanding that you're ahead of that range sufficiently often given the odds offered.

Re: TPTK facing a min raise and a strong turn bet
 

And basically what you are saying is "don't go broke with top pair; fold; and don't be a calling station."

Here's an idea:

Put your opponent on a range of hands. Once you do that, you might realize that calling down is the best play.