deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold?
 

simple question: take this hand to the felt or not?

Villain is new to the site, seems like a TAG, have not seen him get out of line. He limps his weaker hands from MP. I have been playing aggressively, but I have not shown down any big bluffs.


stacks:

Hero has 4200, villain covers

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
9 players


Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 8s 8d
3 folds, MP2 raises to $70, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds.

Flop: as 8c qd ($170, 2 players)
MP2 bets $125, Hero raises to $320, MP2 calls.

Turn: 3c ($810, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $600, MP2 raises to $1800

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold?
 

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

660 games 0.005 secs 132,000 games/sec

Board: As 8c Qd 3c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 45.9091 % 45.91% 00.00% { AA, QQ, AQs, AQo }
Hand 2: 54.0909 % 54.09% 00.00% { 8d8s }

You have equity if this is his range, but i doubt he does this raise with anything but AcQc+. Maybe this is a big bluff every once in a while but, i'd still be inclined to fold, though folding bottom set is hard to do in theory and even hard to do in practise.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

He has more ways to have AQ/AK than AA/QQ (or could possibly have the case 8 with an A), but he probably doesn't put you on playing a set fast on the flop either. Which means AK trying to get rid of a split would often by played like that OOP by some players, as well as AQ. So I would call and then either call or push the river. But I would never call that turn checkraise if I ever intended to fold the river.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

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He has more ways to have AQ/AK than AA/QQ (or could possibly have the case 8 with an A), but he probably doesn't put you on playing a set fast on the flop either. Which means AK trying to get rid of a split would often by played like that OOP by some players, as well as AQ. So I would call and then either call or push the river. But I would never call that turn checkraise if I ever intended to fold the river.

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Is A8s unlikely enough for a TAG to raise in MP to disregard here? Also, shouldn't AK be included as part of his range? Where is he folding AK? Probably not on the flop, does AK just call the turn definitely?

*Edit* I know you are saying AK IS part of his range, BluffThis, this is just more for the above range poster.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

i think this hand range is too narrow, why can't he have JTcc here?

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

Try this converter:
http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/
..or if you already are, with some better settings.

He's certainly representing top or second set, but he could also be semi-bluffing. There's a small chance he's trying to push you off a biggish hand or even thinking he is value-betting with top two, as bet-3-betting the flop would scare almost anything as that would look like a set. You do have to take your image into account here.

My reason for folding would be that the 1800 bet totally commits you, and he knows it.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

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He limps his weaker hands from MP.

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Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

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Try this converter:
http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/
..or if you already are, with some better settings.

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Yeah, I tried it, I fiddled around with it, I changed it to the "2+2" setting, it still came out with garbage. Finally I just manually took out some of the extraneous stuff.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

To think that he would do it with AcQc and not other AQ's is ridiculous.

Re: deepish with bottom set, his line is superstrong, ALLINOMG or fold
 

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Try this converter:
http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/
..or if you already are, with some better settings.

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Yeah, I tried it, I fiddled around with it, I changed it to the "2+2" setting, it still came out with garbage. Finally I just manually took out some of the extraneous stuff.

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