400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

Villain is McShove. I've not played a ton with him...only about 200 hands or so. But seems good and I have him at 18/12/1.4 over those 200 hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO ($245.40)
Button ($253.10)
SB ($556)
BB ($379.25)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($392)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($457)</font>
MP1 ($436)
MP2 ($578.50)
MP3 ($392)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $14</font>, Hero calls $14, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>.

Flop: ($34) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $60</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $200</font>

Re: 400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

UTG raise ranges are typically pretty small, shove. Don't see how you can fold if you're really only worried about TT/88 here.

Re: 400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

Shove

Re: 400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

No way you can not shove here IMO.

Re: 400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

No choice...AA/KK is definitely in his range.

Re: 400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

push.

Re: 400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

I did shove, but I didn't like it. It's pretty obvious what I have here, and he doesn't care.

Anyway, I shove and he instacalls with his J9s and it holds up.

The following chat ensues.

me: "nh"

him: "ez laydown against me"

me: "your mom's an ez laydown" (I'm just upset the player deals crap to a compliment)

him: "perhaps, but not as ez a laydown as 777 on that board against me"

me: "haha. right."

Re: 400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

fold.

Re: 400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

Seems to be an idiot...

Really, can't see how you can lay that one down and wouldn't have seen J9s in his PF range from UTG. TT or 88 maybe...
I really understant you had a bad feeling here, but I guess you see AA,KK stuff much more often here than flopped miracle straights you really can't put people on.

Re: 400: Sometimes I Just Say \"Oh Well\"
 

Shrug. Annoying but if you're gonna fold there you might as well fold everything but aces preflop and open shove those to be sure you get it in good.