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darker_days 05-22-2007 09:10 AM

200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
villian in this hand has been a huge nit 14/7 over ~ 400 hands, so the cold call took me by surprise. plan was to push the rest in on the river, but given the king showed up should it just be check fold?

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

<u>Hero (SB): $294.00</u>
<u>BB: $211.05</u>
UTG: $98.75
MP: $200.00
CO: $302.90
BTN: $349.95

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $8.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $24.00</font>, BB calls $22.00, CO folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($56) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($56) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $32.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $90.00</font>, Hero calls $58.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($236) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $70.00</font>, Hero ...

Pot Size: $376.00 ($3 Rake)

cakewalk 05-22-2007 09:22 AM

Re: 200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
i think ur smoked here. villain could have AQ, KQs, AK, KK, QQ something of that sort.

PF i raise more, like 28/30 since ur oop.

and definitely absolutely 100% cbet this flop

dp13368 05-22-2007 09:25 AM

Re: 200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
Please bet this flop, you made this hand so much tougher than it needed to be.

Lead flop $38-44

What is up with your turn bet? $32 into $56???????

darker_days 05-22-2007 09:34 AM

Re: 200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
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What is up with your turn bet? $32 into $56???????

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that was a pure and simple balls up, lol

Didnt lead the flop because i couldnt see a lot that i was beating with a guy with those stats who cold called the 3 bet. figured him for AKs QQ+, with only KK giving me action. Turn bought the other Q making QQ unlikely, so i bet.

running bad makes me think like this [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

dp13368 05-22-2007 09:38 AM

Re: 200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
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What is up with your turn bet? $32 into $56???????

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that was a pure and simple balls up, lol

Didnt lead the flop because i couldnt see a lot that i was beating with a guy with those stats who cold called the 3 bet. figured him for AKs QQ+, with only KK giving me action. Turn bought the other Q making QQ unlikely, so i bet.

running bad makes me think like this [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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It doesn't matter if you "get action"

Please bet this flop...

Board: 4c Qd 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 80.261% 78.18% 02.08% 18575 495.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 19.739% 17.66% 02.08% 4195 495.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }

Imrahil 05-22-2007 09:41 AM

Re: 200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
The problem is villain maybe just [censored] with you here because of your river check and small turn bet but I think the river is a fold.

Actually I probably call river given that villain could have A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] here and you're getting such great river odds.

joeblack 05-22-2007 11:42 AM

Re: 200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
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200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell

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You inflicted this confusion on yourself by not betting the flop. I don't understand why you would 3-bet pf and then check the flop.

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Didnt lead the flop because i couldnt see a lot that i was beating with a guy with those stats who cold called the 3 bet.

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This is just bad thinking. Take a break, go outside and get some air. Remember the odds of flopping a set? 8-1 right? So since we are favored going in lets continue the aggression on the flop.

Kilillan 05-22-2007 11:43 AM

Re: 200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
yeah you're good here about never

loveinvain 05-22-2007 11:51 AM

Re: 200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
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i think ur smoked here. villain could have AQ, KQs, AK, KK, QQ something of that sort.

PF i raise more, like 28/30 since ur oop.

and definitely absolutely 100% cbet this flop

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Yes. Not raising a bit more preflop is a smallish mistake but a mistake nevertheless. Not betting this flop though is absolutely horrible.

eleventy 05-22-2007 12:03 PM

Re: 200NL - 3bet pot confused as hell
 
Once you check the flop I'd check turn too to keep the pot smaller and pick off bluffs. You put yourself in a bad spot.


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