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AceOfClubs 09-05-2007 08:15 AM

Set over set
 
Don't know where is better to ask this question.
Should you think that somebody could get higher set then yourth or it's easy all in? for example you have poket 33 and board is KJ3. Should you fold sometimes this hand?

jetsetboy 09-05-2007 08:30 AM

Re: Set over set
 
Of course you should, it's really important to fold 33 in this spot when facing too much aggression.

Knightsridge 09-05-2007 08:31 AM

Re: Set over set
 
Never.
Fold.
Sets.
In that Spot.

Getting your money in with 333 on that flop is massively +ev.

There are times such as all the same suit or three to a straight, but even then you have outs. Personally I never fold a set on the flop except in rare rare cases.

Mundy 09-05-2007 08:33 AM

Re: Set over set
 
Set over set is a cooler in this situation.
Villain will have all sorts of two pair hands.

AlexB182 09-05-2007 08:36 AM

Re: Set over set
 
To be theoretical: you are on the button and feel like playing with your 33.
There is raise, than a reraise, you call, rereraise, then call and you call (I hope you don't do that BTW).
The flop comes KJ3.
There is a bet, then a raise, you call, then a reraise, and one shoves. In this case, I guess you should fold.

As you see, this is a very rare case and therefore, in the very most spots (without a three - flush or a four - straight on board) I m happy to get my money in with every set...

Mike Kelley 09-05-2007 08:39 AM

Re: Set over set
 
You would have to have atleast 70bb's in the pot by that point Alex. I don't think you can lay it down.

AlexB182 09-05-2007 08:42 AM

Re: Set over set
 
Oh well, of course you re right Mike. That was really only a theoretical approach to when I think it's right to fold a set.
I didn't pay attention to pot sizes, sorry.
It was just meant to illustrate how rarely you should fold sets IMO, but maybe a bad example...

Mike Kelley 09-05-2007 08:55 AM

Re: Set over set
 
Some great bluffs could be made with infinite stacks. I think with 100bb stacks it's hard to go wrong because so many people will play 2 pair and top pair like it's a set.

AceOfClubs 09-05-2007 09:12 AM

Re: Set over set
 
[ QUOTE ]
Set over set is a cooler in this situation.
Villain will have all sorts of two pair hands.

[/ QUOTE ]
He had set.

Mike Kelley 09-05-2007 09:14 AM

Re: Set over set
 
It's still an easy all in. Do you fold aces cuz they get beat one time?


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