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crystalallen 11-30-2007 06:39 PM

A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
And I don't even think villain flopped a flush, I think it was a draw. I was just feeling really unlucky - lots of bad beats lately.

A few hands later the second hand happened - same villain. Then similar hands later. Then the tilt set in. I felt so beat down. I don't think I made any bad decisions because of it though. I just steamed.

How bad is this? (This is the bubble)

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero (t3840)
SB (t2900)
BB (t2260)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, SB calls t200, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t600) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t2650 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t3250

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. SB wins t3250. </font>

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (3 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero (t3440)
SB (t2750)
BB (t2810)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t250</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t400</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t150.

Flop: (t900) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t2350 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t3250

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. SB wins t3250. </font>

diditmyway 11-30-2007 06:54 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
hand 1 i fold pf. picking up 150 chips wont change much.
hand 2 i fold the flop.

KCW12 11-30-2007 06:57 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
First hand is pretty terrible, there is no reason to ever fold this.

Second hand is dependent on reads. I probably fold vs. an unknown since your stack is still in decent shape, but it's a tough call.

sippin_criss 11-30-2007 07:00 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
i snapcall both COME ON!

sippin_criss 11-30-2007 07:02 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
/gob

vers 11-30-2007 07:04 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
in a $5 come on, snapcalls. Mass overbets do not have you beat.

kleath 11-30-2007 07:28 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
snapplecall both, if it was L1 to the same action we have a decision, itm both are very easy calls

Pudge714 11-30-2007 07:32 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
1 is a fist pump snap call.

2 is closer, but if he has minthreebet pre earlier I would snap call.

diditmyway 11-30-2007 08:10 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
[ QUOTE ]
snapplecall both, if it was L1 to the same action we have a decision, itm both are very easy calls

[/ QUOTE ]

it's not ITM, its a 6max...

donkraft 11-30-2007 08:15 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
1&gt;&gt; There is no way a made flush pushes on that board. And you beat pretty much everything else. And if he has KQ, GLNHWP, start a new. I think the most likely holding is two pair or a pair with a flushdraw.

2&gt;&gt; VERY read-dependent. I agree with pudge - if he has min-raised preflop with anything else than QQ+ earlier (or often enough to make it likely he is re-raising wider) , I'm not laying this down.

crystalallen 11-30-2007 08:18 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
Ha. Maybe I was already on tilt from the previous bad beats and this was the result.

crystalallen 11-30-2007 08:21 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
[ QUOTE ]
itm both are very easy calls

[/ QUOTE ]
It was a 6 seat - this was the bubble.

Niggel 11-30-2007 08:24 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
The first hand is not a snapcall for me. I might lay this down as well if villian is decent, but the overbet looks weird!

In the second hand I will most likely call. His range is not as tight, as some people might think and I you are ITM and should be using these +EV to gain chips. If he would have a hand which beats you I doubt he would overbet the flop. Draws and weak Aces or Kings are more likely imo.

HajiShirazu 11-30-2007 08:27 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
First hand is so bad, that is a total instacall and in fact I am happy he openshoved because a lot of people will play top pair no diamond that way figuring they protect their hand.
2nd hand is actually close, depends on how the guy plays.

SupaDupaStar 11-30-2007 09:04 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
Hand 1- I like the fold here, you do not have much invested and your preflop bet was more suited for heads-up action with those cards.
Hand 2- I think you played in cautious(not bad). I probably call given the fact that he has seen you fold preflop raising hands to scary flops. My read is that he views this flop as scary and you will fold to a big bet. Push Back.

Slim Pickens 11-30-2007 09:14 PM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
Have idiots learned how to value-shove monsters to look weak? Last I checked they hadn't. Also, you're the big stack in both hands, which makes you SNAPCALL slightly more forcefully than you would if they had you covered.

DannyOcean_ 12-01-2007 12:38 AM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
I call both pretty easily. Villians who do this repeatedly do not usually have monsters every time. They have draws or weak hands that are scared.

crystalallen 12-01-2007 09:52 AM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
[ QUOTE ]
a lot of people will play top pair no diamond that way figuring they protect their hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Later, I got a do-over. Different game, different villain.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t120 (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG (t925)
Hero (t1935)
SB (t5340)
BB (t800)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, SB calls t240, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t720) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t5040 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t1635 (All-In).

Turn: (t7395) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>
.

River: (t7395) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t7395

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has 8c Qc (two pair, queens and nines).
Hero has Ah Qh (two pair, queens and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins t3990. SB wins t3405. </font>


And my longest ITM streak (including the game above where I got pushed around.)
http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/366...3231384_rs.jpg

lucid75 12-01-2007 10:57 AM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
1. SOOOOOOOOOOOO obv draw. Instacall, or instacall faster.
2. Call. If he has 2p, why he just open shoving?

drzen 12-02-2007 03:54 AM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
I'm unhappy about the second and possibly fold. I am loving the first so much I phone my mum to tell her that Jeezus sent me an idiot.

drzen 12-02-2007 03:57 AM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
[ QUOTE ]
2. Call. If he has 2p, why he just open shoving?

[/ QUOTE ]

Because he thinks your most likely hand is ace-something and you will call. It would depend for me on whether he has threebet before, but minreraises say "big hand" to me.

ADLinden 12-02-2007 03:57 AM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
Fold preflop in the first one, but as played call and celebrate.

Second one is close, but I probably call because it is a $5.

rakemeplz 12-02-2007 04:42 AM

Re: A straight on the flop - I folded it. ($5)
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm unhappy about the second and possibly fold. I am loving the first so much I phone my mum to tell her that Jeezus sent me an idiot.

[/ QUOTE ]

Grow up?


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