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iheartponeez 10-05-2007 06:21 PM

Flop a set, was shoving the right move?
 
.1/.2 stakes:

Seat 1: Villain (17.45 in chips)
Seat 4: MP (25.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero (14.75 in chips)
Seat 6: SB (13.45 in chips)
Seat 10: BB(11.80 in chips)
Dealt to Hero [ 7c 7h ]
Villain: calls
MP: raises to $1.20
Hero: calls
SB: folds
BB: folds
Villain: calls
*** FLOP *** [ 4c, 8c, 7s. ]
Villain: checks
MP: checks
Hero: bets $3
Villain: calls
MP: folds
*** TURN *** [ Ts. ]
Villain: checks
Hero: Bets all-in.

Correct? Incorrect? Why?


Thank you for any help.

jack492505 10-05-2007 06:24 PM

Re: Flop a set, now what?
 
I would bet around 7.50 and call a shove.

iheartponeez 10-05-2007 06:26 PM

Re: Flop a set, now what?
 
Oh yeah, and anything I did wrong before the big move is useful to hear too.

valdiesel 10-05-2007 06:29 PM

Re: Flop a set, now what?
 
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I would bet around 7.50 and call a shove.

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how much money in the pot after the flop? I would bet 75% on flop same on turn and ^^^

jack492505 10-05-2007 06:29 PM

Re: Flop a set, now what?
 
Oh I didn't see your stack size, guess there's not much to do but shove here. pretty standard IMO

well named 10-05-2007 06:30 PM

Re: Flop a set, now what?
 
He only has slightly more than a pot-sized bet remaining, is villain really more likely to call 7.50 than a shove? If he does call 7.50 he's pretty much committed anyway. If the point of a smaller bet is to increase your chances of being called or shoved against, then i'd say $3-4 might be better. I think there's more chance that a hand that folds to a shove calls or bluff-raises against a $3 bet than against $7.50.

Edit: i'm too late [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Edit Edit: I mostly just shove, but against bluffy aggro opponents I might try a small bet.

iheartponeez 10-05-2007 06:34 PM

Re: Flop a set, now what?
 
Since I'm now confident in my playing that hand, I can tell you the guy was holding 6/5, and I got stacked off. Beats, brags, and variance, I guess.

valdiesel 10-05-2007 06:34 PM

Re: Flop a set, now what?
 
[ QUOTE ]
He only has slightly more than a pot-sized bet remaining, is villain really more likely to call 7.50 than a shove? If he does call 7.50 he's pretty much committed anyway. If the point of a smaller bet is to increase your chances of being called or shoved against, then i'd say $3-4 might be better. I think there's more chance that a hand that folds to a shove calls or bluff-raises against a $3 bet than against $7.50.

Edit: i'm too late [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Edit Edit: I mostly just shove, but against bluffy aggro opponents I might try a small bet.

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Shoving is not bad. Arent you giving over analyzing at these levels? I think that at these micro stakes you should just try to maximze money rahter than trying to out think opponents.

Jouster777 10-05-2007 06:38 PM

Re: Flop a set, was shoving the right move?
 
The only hand you really need to play to is a FD here.

If he has a FD then villain will have 7 outs. You need to offer worse than 5:1 implied odds. After that pushing or not just depends on what you expect he'll call with a worse hand.

well named 10-05-2007 06:39 PM

Re: Flop a set, now what?
 
over-analyze? me? surely you jest. FWIW, I'd only not-shove with some specific read, that's what I was trying to say. Shoving is good.

What I really meant, in handy diagram form, is:

Shoving > FPS small bet > 7.50


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