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iron81 12-01-2007 03:17 AM

Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
 
Why are the ethnic cleansing proponents saying that plan doesn't involve killing Palestinians? Do you really think the Palestinians would take that lying down? Any Israeli plan to remove the Muslim inhabitants would immediately lead to a Civil War that would make the Intifada look like Selma. Also, I hope that no one tries to argue that the Palestinians should take it lying down.

Also, keep in mind that the primary way an Army has to cause a mass civilian flight is to instill fear in the population. The most common way to do this is to commit massive War Crimes. Think Srebrenica.

Goater 12-01-2007 05:23 AM

Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
 
I really think we can ignore the OPs ridiculous ideas about expelling the arabs from Israel/territories - its simply never going to happen, couldnt happen, israelis wouldnt let it happen.

Its not something that is even remotely considered by Israeli so whats the point in talking about it here?

Goater 12-01-2007 05:44 AM

Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
 
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The Arab leaders have always wanted peace with Israel. And that would be because, let's see... OH YES, because they've been defeated every single time they had a war with Israel. Yep, that should be it. (Unless the Arab leaders are collectively of a lower IQ than everybody else on the planet. Run with it.)

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So your arguament is that Arab states have always wanted peace with Israel because they have always been defeated when they try to destroy Israel? Not sure you have thought this through.

The arab states have always wanted to destroy Israel. How is that even in doubt? After they lost the 2 major wars, yes, they realised that they couldnt get the job done in a purely military campaign. That certainly did not mean they wanted peace with Israel and their actions and words have been entirely consistent with this. If you seriously believe that the arab states want nothing more than peace with Israel you must be either delusional or ignorant.

Jordan does have a peace agreement and relations are ok, however they are the exception. Egypt has a peace treaty too, but this only ensures that the two countries do not get into another full scale war again (which helps Egypt more than Israel). Egypt still publishes horriffic anti-semitism in its official press and continues to allow the smuggling of men, arms and explosives to Hamas via their border. They are basically protected from Israeli reaction, but are happy to support (morally and in practice) Israels enemies. Egypt made the deal to recover lost territory and Israel got "recognition" in return - big deal. Its a very, very cold peace (something I would, of course, take over a state of war) but Egypts recognition of Israel is basically meaningless.

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Unless the Arab leaders are collectively of a lower IQ than everybody else on the planet. Run with it

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This is nonesense. There are many very complex reasons as to why the arab states dont want or need peace with Israel. They know Israel will not invade their countries and are able to support Israels enemies in their attacks on Israel without having to use their own armies. It is simply a change in strategy born of the realisation that they wouldnt win in conventional warfare against Israel. Many of the regimes that are in charge in the arab world need a perpetual state of war with Israel for their own domestic political needs.

Copernicus 12-01-2007 06:24 AM

Re: Another Stupid Peace Initiative for Israel/Arabs
 
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Felix, haven't I told you not to use that Texan weed together with Mexican moonshine? War in your brain cells is inevitable. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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1. The Arab leaders don't want peace.
2. The Arabs are lying sacks of crap.

[/ QUOTE ]1. The Arab leaders have always wanted peace with Israel. And that would be because, let's see... OH YES, because they've been defeated every single time they had a war with Israel. Yep, that should be it. (Unless the Arab leaders are collectively of a lower IQ than everybody else on the planet. Run with it.)

2. "The Arabs are lying sacks of crap". Right.
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Excuse my laughing atchoo but I can't help thinking of the major damage you would suffer if you'd ever discover that you have Arab blood in you. LOL I'm already flashing back to the Chris Walken/Dennis Hopper scene from "True Romance".



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The only treaty the Arabs have half-assed 'honored' was the Camp David accords. Egypt welched on part of the deal to recognize Israel.

[/ QUOTE ]Well said, well said. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/103000...uni150_afp.jpg

The only slight hitch would be this here guy who's been claiming since 1986 to be (get this!) the Egyptian ambassador to Israel... The balls on this damn impostor!

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My solution to the Israel-Arab peace process?
1. Israel invades Gaza and Arab controlled areas of the West Bank and annexes the land.
2. Take away the citizenship of all Arabs inside Israel.
3. Relocate all Arabs inside Israel and dump them on the borders of Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon. Let their Arab brothers give them sanctuary.
4. Drink a beer for a job well done... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
5. Endure the occasional rocket attacks accross the borders but launch occasional cross border attacks to kill these scum.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, Felix, seeing as
1. Already Israel occupies (militarily, Felix, and not through force of ..argument) the West Bank --and bombs Gaza daily--
2. Already most Arabs "inside Israel" do NOT have Israeli citizenship (the Israeli PM warned last week of the dangers of ethnic dirtying)
3. Most Palestinians already live in exile from their homeland, which used to be where Israel now is,
we are left with the beer drinking.

Never a bad advice under the Texas sun. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

But why the heck don't you wear your hat, man? Sooner or later that sun gonna get you and you'll start writing utter, total nonsense... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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there is no such thing as a "Palestinian homeland" to be exiled from. Bye Cyrus.


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