Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

No real reads on villain here, but he seems pretty bad. Snap call? Wierd spot =/

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $79.55
CO: $77.15
BTN: $199.60
SB: $192
Hero (BB): $393.40

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $6</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22</font>, SB calls $16

Flop: ($44) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $170 and is All-In</font>

Results: $44 Pot ($44 Rake)

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

We've had these threads before. It's a call, and a relatively snappy one at that.

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

what nielsio said

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

Yea, it's more of a check up than me being genuinly concerned a snap call is the wrong move.

Obviously he flopped the nuts, but it just seems like such a wierd play i'm starting to question if his range is wide enough to make it an insta-call. What is he doing this with?

-Andy

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

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Yea, it's more of a check up than me being genuinly concerned a snap call is the wrong move.

Obviously he flopped the nuts, but it just seems like such a wierd play i'm starting to question if his range is wide enough to make it an insta-call. What is he doing this with?

-Andy

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tp, 2nd pair, fd, fd+pair, pair+gutter, gutter+overcard, OESD, AA, air, etc.

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

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What is he doing this with?

-Andy

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Honestly, if the villain is bad I don't think there is much point trying to answer this question. What goes through the fishies heads is a mystery to me most of the time. Since they don't conform to 'traditional' logic, there's not much point in trying to assign a range in this type of spot. I mean, it could be 22.

Just snapcall and berate [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

ive seen guys do this with QT etc, def with just spades. ez call

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

easy call

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

The problem is with no real reads it's hard to lay down, but his bet is large enough that laydown is the play against many players.

Preflop seems consistent with AQ, 99, 88 or JTs of hands you fear rather than AA or QQ, but who knows. Postflop, this is a huge bet, and those usually aren't bluffs. So what "real" hands can he have on this flop that you beat? TT? JJ? 77 and down? KQ?

Against a true unknown, I think I'd need more of an overlay to call.

Re: Villain open shove flops in 3bet pot
 

snap