stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

no reads early. but one hand folded to me in sb, i raise to 90 with T8, he calls. flop 69x i bet 120 he calls. turn T i check he bets 240 i call. river x i check he checks and shows AQ.

do you play flop differently? fold/call/shove turn?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $20/$40
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $5667
UTG+1: $3185
MP1: $5350
MP2: $3680
MP3: $4695
CO: $4698
Button: $4495
SB: $6735
djk123: $6185

Pre-flop: (9 players) djk123 is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, 4 folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">djk123 raises to $240</font>, UTG calls, 2 folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($560, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">djk123 bets $400</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $800</font>, djk123 calls $400 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was $1760)</font>.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2160, 2 players)
djk123 checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $1800</font>, djk123

Re: stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

I don't fold overpairs to fish who bet the pot on turn bricks

Re: stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

minraise puts me on life tilt.

I make a decision on the flop if I am going to continue with the hand. If I think that I am ahead I like the check-shove on the turn (especially on the total brick 5h turn)

I can't think of anything played well or even reasonably well that is limped UTG preflop and minraised on the flop that we beat so I have no problem with a flop fold. Then again, we have no reason to think that the villain plays well..

I also don't think a pf check is bad though I know it flies in the face of twoplustwo conventional wisdom.

Re: stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

Screw the monkey, pot is 2100 when you call. You have only 4600 effective behind. I would just go allin on the flop, I really don't like giving free cards on relatively scary boards with the pot being so large.

Basically I really hate calling and checking with the idea of check raising on the turn here. I think its flat out terrible with your hand in such a big pot. That is all.

Re: stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

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minraise puts me on life tilt.

I make a decision on the flop if I am going to continue with the hand. If I think that I am ahead I like the check-shove on the turn (especially on the total brick 5h turn)

I can't think of anything played well or even reasonably well that is limped UTG preflop and minraised on the flop that we beat so I have no problem with a flop fold. Then again, we have no reason to think that the villain plays well..

I also don't think a pf check is bad though I know it flies in the face of twoplustwo conventional wisdom.



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Isnt dude just some random donk? Also most good players won't minraise sets there, just as they won't minraise anything. So he's probably a moron, and who the heck knows what he has. But he has position and can take 2 free cards if we just call. Zero chance I allow that in a pot that is about 50% of effective stacks.


Btw if you plan to fold the turn or if you feel really strongly that you can gain some kind of information on the turn based on bet size stuff, then okay I guess it's not the worst thing ever to just call the flop. However if you think there's a good chance you will get all your money in, then I really think you must do it right away.

Re: stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

i dunno i think reraisng flop would be bad. seems like we'd only be getting it in behind.

Re: stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

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minraise puts me on life tilt.

I make a decision on the flop if I am going to continue with the hand. If I think that I am ahead I like the check-shove on the turn (especially on the total brick 5h turn)

I can't think of anything played well or even reasonably well that is limped UTG preflop and minraised on the flop that we beat so I have no problem with a flop fold. Then again, we have no reason to think that the villain plays well..

I also don't think a pf check is bad though I know it flies in the face of twoplustwo conventional wisdom.



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PF check should be fine IMO, but raising is fine too of course.

Re: stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

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I don't fold overpairs to fish who bet the pot on turn bricks

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I do but don't tell them that

Re: stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

Putting it in here would be terrible and I probably fold the flop.

Re: stupid JJ hand from $2600
 

is calling really an option here? whats ur plan on river if u juyst call?