SLOTBOOM WORKS...?
 

hi all...

what u think bout the slotboom strategy? i really think it works...

anyone else made any experiences??

played tables from $0.25 to $2!! the best results cam from the $2 tables!

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Duck and cover!

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Is slotboom raising PFR and then capping every street?

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To make that strategy work you need to have maniac sitting right next to you. If there are only passive players just forget about it. It's no use peddling aces if you aren't able to get almost all-in preflop.

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There's a 5/10 local live game that is perfect for 'peddling' aces, and I'll buy in for the min and this strategy has not worked out well for me.

All-in for 2.8k PF with AAJTds vs KJ35 unsuited, lost when he turns trip threes.

All-in with KKJTds for $1800, my friend who I have staked had AA75us and was all-in for $800. The other guy had K266ss, and won when he flopped quads.

Particularly, the guy who flopped quads never folds preflop. If you 3/4-bet him, he'll say "I know what you got, them aces." And call any amount of his stack away just to crack them.

Had several -5k nights 'Slotbooming'.

God, I run bad at live Omaha.

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There's a 5/10 local live game that is perfect for 'peddling' aces, and I'll buy in for the min and this strategy has not worked out well for me.

All-in for 2.8k PF with AAJTds vs KJ35 unsuited, lost when he turns trip threes.

All-in with KKJTds for $1800, my friend who I have staked had AA75us and was all-in for $800. The other guy had K266ss, and won when he flopped quads.

Particularly, the guy who flopped quads never folds preflop. If you 3/4-bet him, he'll say "I know what you got, them aces." And call any amount of his stack away just to crack them.

Had several -5k nights 'Slotbooming'.

God, I run bad at live Omaha.

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warms my heart a bit to hear that

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It's probably the juiciest Omaha game imaginable. Usual 70% VPIP and everyone is an aggrotard.

A) Flop Set
B) Don't get sucked out on.
C) ?????
D) Profit.

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hi all...

what u think bout the slotboom strategy? i really think it works...

anyone else made any experiences??

played tables from $0.25 to $2!! the best results cam from the $2 tables!

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Myself and another 2+2 poster have done a long analysis of the Slotboom shortstacking strategy and we have found that it is so good that it both underused and should be expanded.

The other poster did most of the work so I feel a little uncomfortable posting the results, but I will summarize the main findings:

Because the people at these levels are so bad you make money by playing about 40% of all hands and raising in the last 3 positions.

And when people are a little passive and you can only get 25-40% of your stack in preflop, then make sure that you don't get bluffed out.

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There's a 5/10 local live game that is perfect for 'peddling' aces, and I'll buy in for the min and this strategy has not worked out well for me.

All-in for 2.8k PF with AAJTds vs KJ35 unsuited, lost when he turns trip threes.

All-in with KKJTds for $1800, my friend who I have staked had AA75us and was all-in for $800. The other guy had K266ss, and won when he flopped quads.

Particularly, the guy who flopped quads never folds preflop. If you 3/4-bet him, he'll say "I know what you got, them aces." And call any amount of his stack away just to crack them.

Had several -5k nights 'Slotbooming'.

God, I run bad at live Omaha.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, it is pretty obvious the tactic has huge variance. You could almost compare it to coin flip since in Omaha almost no hand is big dog like in Hold 'em.

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There's a 5/10 local live game that is perfect for 'peddling' aces, and I'll buy in for the min and this strategy has not worked out well for me.

All-in for 2.8k PF with AAJTds vs KJ35 unsuited, lost when he turns trip threes.

All-in with KKJTds for $1800, my friend who I have staked had AA75us and was all-in for $800. The other guy had K266ss, and won when he flopped quads.

Particularly, the guy who flopped quads never folds preflop. If you 3/4-bet him, he'll say "I know what you got, them aces." And call any amount of his stack away just to crack them.

Had several -5k nights 'Slotbooming'.

God, I run bad at live Omaha.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, it is pretty obvious the tactic has huge variance. You could almost compare it to coin flip since in Omaha almost no hand is big dog like in Hold 'em.

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Which is a better matchup.

Top 20% of NL hands vs worst 20%
Top 20% of PLOhands vs worst 20%

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There's a 5/10 local live game that is perfect for 'peddling' aces, and I'll buy in for the min and this strategy has not worked out well for me.

All-in for 2.8k PF with AAJTds vs KJ35 unsuited, lost when he turns trip threes.

All-in with KKJTds for $1800, my friend who I have staked had AA75us and was all-in for $800. The other guy had K266ss, and won when he flopped quads.

Particularly, the guy who flopped quads never folds preflop. If you 3/4-bet him, he'll say "I know what you got, them aces." And call any amount of his stack away just to crack them.

Had several -5k nights 'Slotbooming'.

God, I run bad at live Omaha.

[/ QUOTE ]Well, it is pretty obvious the tactic has huge variance. You could almost compare it to coin flip since in Omaha almost no hand is big dog like in Hold 'em.

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Which is a better matchup.

Top 20% of NL hands vs worst 20%
Top 20% of PLOhands vs worst 20%

[/ QUOTE ]In Omaha there are a lot of more hands. It's true that if you compare match-ups between AAJT vs. 2222 and AA vs. 22 Hold 'em wins. People are though smart enough not to push with worst hands. These hands include most likely trips and unconnected rainbows.

I think better match-up would be top PLO hands but still Omaha has bigger variance than Hold 'em.

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So for those playing at home, would you care to correct your statement:

"in Omaha almost no hand is big dog like in Hold 'em."

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You're having the most semantically useless argument I've ever heard.

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You're having the most semantically useless argument I've ever heard.

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I think you have some tense problems in you're sentence structure.

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I used pokerstove to get the top 20% hands for HE, then the top 80% hands and hands picked the bottom 20%(there aren't many hands left besides the top 80%). The result I got shows top 20% holdem hands is 70/30 against bottom 20%.

Anyone knows how to do PLO? I know how to do top X% but not bottom X%.

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I used pokerstove to get the top 20% hands for HE, then the top 80% hands and hands picked the bottom 20%(there aren't many hands left besides the top 80%). The result I got shows top 20% holdem hands is 70/30 against bottom 20%.

Anyone knows how to do PLO? I know how to do top X% but not bottom X%.

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This is indeed a trick question because...how do you rate PLO hands due to the intransitivity of the transitive properties of PLO hands?

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I used pokerstove to get the top 20% hands for HE, then the top 80% hands and hands picked the bottom 20%(there aren't many hands left besides the top 80%). The result I got shows top 20% holdem hands is 70/30 against bottom 20%.

Anyone knows how to do PLO? I know how to do top X% but not bottom X%.

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Omaha just doesn't work like this. For the most part, an omaha hand's value is determined on-and-after the flop, not when the cards are dealt.

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Delete this thread. Ugh.

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Delete this thread. Ugh.

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Felt, I hope ur gorilla fur catches on FIRE the next time you cook up some GREASE to make hotwings. I don't however hope that you DIE, just like 2nd or 3rd degree burns.

<font color="green">Don't start. Please. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]
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Delete this thread. Ugh.

[/ QUOTE ]I hear you. If it means anything, I'm tired of questions and opinions about Slotboom's short stack strategy and tactics too.

But it's a fact of life that you'll face it, and you'll need to be able to cope, and people will continue to struggle with this and have questions about it.

And you may even find it useful sometimes yourself.

In about a week, I fully expect a new software system for all the 2+2 forums. (See the sticky at the top of the listing for this forum). I'm not sure what that will mean in terms of what we can and cannot do - and so I'm delaying in getting some good FAQs covered - but I haven't forgotten about it.

Maybe that will make things better or easier, and I always can move posts about books or authors to the books and publications forum. And keep in mind that I'm not a computer guru and am still learning how to deal with various aspects of threads and posts on 2+2 forums in general and this forum in particular.

At any rate, I am pretty much at least scanning all the threads and posts in this forum, and spending some time studying some of them. In my humble opinion, this particular thread has some good, interesting stuff on it, so that, at least for now, I'm not deleting it or moving it.

But I do hear you.

Buzz
Omaha forum moderator

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You're having the most semantically useless argument I've ever heard.

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I think you have some tense problems in you're sentence structure.

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I will hope that this mistake had been intentional.

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You're having the most semantically useless argument I've ever heard.

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I think you have some tense problems in you're sentence structure.

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I will hope that this mistake had been intentional.

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Son, put down that spliff!

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Aces were 48% to win three way, I was 33%, and K266 had less than 15% equity. HU KKQJ is 74% against K662. Drop his K and make it a Q, and it becomes 80/20 which is the equivalent to some of the best holdem PF edges.

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You are more likely to have 22xx and flop quads on a A22 vs someone holding AAxx than your scenario.

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cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ks Ad 2h 279386 55.88 220565 44.11 49 0.01 0.559
Qc Jc Th 9h 220565 44.11 279386 55.88 49 0.01 0.441



cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ks Ad 2h 260228 52.05 239772 47.95 0 0.00 0.520
8c 7c 6h 5h 239772 47.95 260228 52.05 0 0.00 0.480



cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ks Ad 2h 112810 22.56 288264 57.65 98926 19.79 0.325
Ac 9d Ah 3h 56062 11.21 345012 69.00 98926 19.79 0.211
7c 6c 5h 4h 232202 46.44 267798 53.56 0 0.00 0.464



As Ks Ad 2h 101945 20.39 306117 61.22 91938 18.39 0.296
3s Ac 9d Ah 33566 6.71 374496 74.90 91938 18.39 0.159
7c 6c 8h 5h 272551 54.51 227449 45.49 0 0.00 0.545



As Ks Ad 2h 165772 33.15 334228 66.85 0 0.00 0.332
9s Qd 9d Qh 146862 29.37 353138 70.63 0 0.00 0.294
7c 6c 8h 5h 187366 37.47 312634 62.53 0 0.00 0.375



cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs Ad 2h 198245 39.65 301755 60.35 0 0.00 0.396
9s Kd 2d Kh 109916 21.98 390084 78.02 0 0.00 0.220
8c 6c 5d Jh 191839 38.37 308161 61.63 0 0.00 0.384

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cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs Ad 2h 185055 37.01 314945 62.99 0 0.00 0.370
9s Kd 2d Kh 106596 21.32 393404 78.68 0 0.00 0.213
8c 6c 5d 7h 208349 41.67 291651 58.33 0 0.00 0.417



Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Qs Ad 2h 196490 39.30 303510 60.70 0 0.00 0.393
9s Kd 2d Kh 115459 23.09 384541 76.91 0 0.00 0.231
6s 8c 5d 7h 188051 37.61 311949 62.39 0 0.00 0.376

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On a sidenote, is Slotboom's Omaha book worth $17?

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[deleted], it's funny that you took your time to post all that and clearly all your examples are weighted to prove your point.

[deleted], are you f***ing kidding. [deleted]

My conclusion is [deleted as berating and insulting to another poster]

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On a sidenote, is Slotboom's Omaha book worth $17?

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100% yes. It's not all about short-stacking. And it's got valuable information I haven't seen anywhere else.

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Like how to put idiot posters like [deleted] on ignore.

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Delete this thread. Ugh.

[/ QUOTE ]I hear you. If it means anything, I'm tired of questions and opinions about Slotboom's short stack strategy and tactics too.

But it's a fact of life that you'll face it, and you'll need to be able to cope, and people will continue to struggle with this and have questions about it.

And you may even find it useful sometimes yourself.

In about a week, I fully expect a new software system for all the 2+2 forums. (See the sticky at the top of the listing for this forum). I'm not sure what that will mean in terms of what we can and cannot do - and so I'm delaying in getting some good FAQs covered - but I haven't forgotten about it.

Maybe that will make things better or easier, and I always can move posts about books or authors to the books and publications forum. And keep in mind that I'm not a computer guru and am still learning how to deal with various aspects of threads and posts on 2+2 forums in general and this forum in particular.

At any rate, I am pretty much at least scanning all the threads and posts in this forum, and spending some time studying some of them. In my humble opinion, this particular thread has some good, interesting stuff on it, so that, at least for now, I'm not deleting it or moving it.

But I do hear you.

Buzz
Omaha forum moderator

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Come on, do you really think we need to discuss an OP that includes this:

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anyone else made any experiences??

played tables from $0.25 to $2!! the best results cam from the $2 tables!

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Lock and delete plz.

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Come on, do you really think we need to discuss an OP that includes this:

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anyone else made any experiences??

played tables from $0.25 to $2!! the best results cam from the $2 tables!

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[/ QUOTE ]Hi Iggy - No comment.
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Lock and delete plz.

[/ QUOTE ]Come on, since you quoted my reply to CrushinFelt verbatim, do you really think we need to discuss whether this thread should be deleted or not?

Buzz

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i may as well have my tu'pence.....

the main problem with this strategy in an incresingly progressive game is 10 seater tables as dying out/dead due to shortstacking, and its a much harder system to implement playing 6 handed

also if an opponent is that spewey 6 handed then it is definatly better EV to sit to their left with a full stack than to their right short

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Interesting point. Does Slotboom mention game preservation anywhere in his book?

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I disagree with Troll.

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Interesting point. Does Slotboom mention game preservation anywhere in his book?

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He does mention that his B&amp;M game started to die off (for various reasons) and he was too slow to get into online poker.