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icheckcallu 11-18-2007 03:15 PM

AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
do i beat any of his range here? Looks like at best im chopping here.


UTG: $25.28
CO: $12.53
Hero (BTN): $39.40
SB: $19.12
BB: $9.93

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $1.75</font>, Hero calls $1.75

Turn: ($5.85) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $4.50</font>, Hero calls $4.50

River: ($14.85) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $10</font>, Hero calls $10

14/11/2 standard tag.... boy im playing chow meow poker lately.

bsball8806 11-18-2007 03:23 PM

Re: AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
PF is bad, raise it up to the pot.

postflop....this is why we need to raise preflop. He's repping AA or AK, but by the way you just smooth called preflop, he's probably put you on like KQ or KJ or some garbage.

As played, raise the flop/call a shove, or call down the turn and river.

icheckcallu 11-18-2007 03:24 PM

Re: AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
[ QUOTE ]
PF is bad, raise it up to the pot.

postflop....this is why we need to raise preflop. He's repping AA or AK, but by the way you just smooth called preflop, he's probably put you on like KQ or KJ or some garbage.


why would we raise flop here? I want value not getting called by a better hand.

As played, raise the flop/call a shove, or call down the turn and river.

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wudabum 11-18-2007 04:05 PM

Re: AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
honestly, I think preflop is fine. If you raise, youre folding out the AJ/AQ/KQs type hands. Flop i think might be ok, but you have to find a raise somewhere in your hand like maybe the turn and call the river.

bsball8806 11-18-2007 04:17 PM

Re: AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
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honestly, I think preflop is fine. If you raise, youre folding out the AJ/AQ/KQs type hands. Flop i think might be ok, but you have to find a raise somewhere in your hand like maybe the turn and call the river.

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you absolutely must raise preflop

Malifous 11-18-2007 04:17 PM

Re: AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
I agree, make it 3.25-3.75 preflop. and [ QUOTE ]
raise the flop/call a shove, or call down the turn and river.

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Monster207 11-18-2007 05:08 PM

Re: AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
You 3 bet this preflop and if/when you do hit and make a psb you are totally/easily able to commit yourself to the hand.

I'd 3bet pre to around 3.50 or 4, if he calls its a psb from there and then since more than 1/3rd of villains stack is in the middle its just a matter of getting the rest in. If he 4bets you preflop then I'm seriously considering folding this. Also previous history/reads plays a much bigger role.

Mr. Ratface 11-18-2007 05:39 PM

Re: AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
[ QUOTE ]
honestly, I think preflop is fine. If you raise, youre folding out the AJ/AQ/KQs type hands. Flop i think might be ok, but you have to find a raise somewhere in your hand like maybe the turn and call the river.

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I think it's important to remember that at micro stakes the majority of the players are bad and will still call with AQ/AJ hands.

Gelin1 11-18-2007 06:09 PM

Re: AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
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I think it's important to remember that at micro stakes the majority of the players are bad and will still call with AQ/AJ hands.

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QFT


Granted, NL10, but still:

Titan Poker 0.05/0.10, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | <font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button <font color="#C00000">Hero ($12.64)</font>
SB ($2.90)
BB ($11.51)
UTG <font color="#C00000">UTG ($9.94)</font>
UTG+1 ($7.53)
CO ($6.79)

Preflop: Hero is on the Button with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises to 0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to 1.20, 2 folds, UTG calls 0.90.

Flop (2.55) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG bets 1.50, Hero raises to 5.00, UTG calls 3.50.

Turn (12.55) T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG checks, Hero bets 5.00, UTG moves all-in for 3.74.

River (21.29) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

UTG shows A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero shows A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero wins 21.29 with Two pair, Ace's and King's with a Ten for a kicker

Jailblazers 11-18-2007 06:14 PM

Re: AK vs tag .... I just call pf
 
Wait, so you all insta-fold AJ and AQ and JJ type hands whenever you are 3-bet OOP? (no reads)


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