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atrainpsu 09-21-2007 04:50 PM

Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
This was a hand my friend was in, and I was not suprised by the ruling in my house, but I was curious what you guys think the ruling should have been.

The final board read T-9-2-2-3, the river gets checks down and my friend tables T-9. Villain throws his hand away, the pot is pushed, and my friend says "i thought for sure you had an overpair" as he is raking in and stacking the pot. Board is still out there and the hand is in the muck, but somewhat identifiable. Villain grabs the top 2 cards from the muck and pulls out 2 aces.

Floor is called.

What's the ruling?

punkass 09-21-2007 04:53 PM

Re: Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
Villain folded. T9 keeps the pot.

Not even close.

A-Baum 09-21-2007 04:56 PM

Re: Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
I would also say T9 keeps the pot. Villain can not just grab what he thinks is his two cards out of the much, especially since they are, as you said "somewhat identifiable".

soah 09-21-2007 05:01 PM

Re: Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
T9 wins

dtf13 09-21-2007 05:01 PM

Re: Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
Easy Call, Mucked hand is DEAD. 10 9 wins.

LasVegasMichael 09-21-2007 05:02 PM

Re: Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
Friend gets the pot, however he is an idiot for saying that.

GeneralDisarray 09-21-2007 09:29 PM

Re: Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
T9 wins for sure. Pot was pushed.

sejje 09-21-2007 09:55 PM

Re: Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
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T Board is still out there and the hand is in the muck, but somewhat identifiable.

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I think it has to be "clearly" identifiable. And as mentioned, it doesn't matter after the pot is pushed.

tyler9768 09-21-2007 10:26 PM

Re: Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
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T Board is still out there and the hand is in the muck, but somewhat identifiable.

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I think it has to be "clearly" identifiable. And as mentioned, it doesn't matter after the pot is pushed.

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I'm far from an expert, but even if the hand was clearly identifiable and the pot hadn't been pushed, would it matter? This isn't a case of the dealer mucking someone's tabled hand, the guy folded. You can unmuck, but I don't think you can unfold.

Poseidon65 09-22-2007 12:23 AM

Re: Hand mucked, pot pushed, then hand unmucked
 
I agree with tyler; even if the two cards are clearly identifiable, the player folded and his hand is dead.


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