Folding the nuts?
 

Is this a bad fold or is it ok to lay it down given the action?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($34)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($25)
UTG ($33.65)
MP ($21.40)
Hero ($78.45)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $0.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $2</font>, Hero calls $2, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $8.95</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $24.75</font>, Hero folds, SB calls $15.55 (All-In).

Re: Folding the nuts?
 

This fold seems horrible to me because you have a redraw of your own. Your redraw is not strong, because a lot of your outs are going to be held by the other two with their straights, but still, you have the redraw to the higher straight which is going to scoop the pot enough. The heart draw isn't enough to scare me away, particularly when the board reads 5-3-2, because people will tend to play A4xx like it's the nuts (don't know why, but this seems to be the case in my opinion). You'll probably see someone with A4xx with hearts and another with your the 2-6 straight, but none of that is certain and they could have all types of hands.

I don't think this is a spot to fold the nuts.

Re: Folding the nuts?
 

Its highly unlikely anything but the same straight w/ or w/o the heart redraw as well as just the nut flush draw.

Cash, you have them covered, call, put it in.

Re: Folding the nuts?
 

I would definetly get in here.

Re: Folding the nuts?
 

0n the plus side, you don't have to worry about getting free-rolled in a big side-pot since BB and SB have equivalent stacks. Also, it's highly unlikely that anyone could draw to a higher straight that beats you.

On the minus side, one of them probably has the nuts and it's not too likely that neither has a flush draw. Even if not, someone probably has a set or 2-pair + nut straight.

However, you have a heart and a pair, so you have a few blockers. Also, if someone has a 46 + 2 hearts, there's a good chance they're holding the 4h and/or 6h, so the remaining fours and sixes are less likely to be hearts.

It's not a great situation, but not nearly as bad as it could be (after all, you do have re-draws). The chances that someone could be doing something stupid at these stakes makes this a call, but I can't say I'd be all that happy about it - there's a good chance you're drawing to a split.

It's probably a fold if both opponents are nut-peddlerish.

Re: Folding the nuts?
 

Don't get me wrong, I could never fold here, but I was curious and ran some simulations that seem to determine that if he's 100% sure that at least one of them has the same straight and the other has a set or a flush draw, then it's becomes very marginal. Give the flush draw a pair and the other straight a backdoor flush draw and suddenly we're not getting the right pot odds anymore.

Hand -------- Pot Equity
7h4s5d6d -- 29.64%
4c6c** ------ 29.12%
Ah5h** ----- 41.24%

Edit: Actually I guess those simulations aren't totally reliable since the *s could be 4s and 6s and hearts and all that. Here we go, better example. His equity rises slightly but still isn't enough.

Hand -------- Pot Equity
7h4s5d6d - 31.23%
4c6cKsQd -- 28.23%
Ah5hJdTs -- 40.54%

Re: Folding the nuts?
 

Awfully close though, he needs 31.59% after $3 rake.

Re: Folding the nuts?
 

How do you figure that? Wouldn't $3 rake mean he needs OVER 33.3% equity to play a 3 way allin?

Re: Folding the nuts?
 

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How do you figure that? Wouldn't $3 rake mean he needs OVER 33.3% equity to play a 3 way allin?

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Dead money already in pot = $1 pre-flop + 3*$2 already called - $3 rake = $4

so he needs less than 33.3% (assuming SB calls).

Re: Folding the nuts?
 

It's perfectly possible you have 2 outs to scoop here.
Calling or folding is fine here. Call if you think either of your opponents is actually terrible at the game.
Otherwise fold, they have told you their hands and it's only cost you $2 to find out. I expect to be getting freerolled here. It's perfectly feasible for one player to be raising top set here, which is a fine play 3 handed.