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Riverman 12-02-2007 12:36 AM

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the real discussion should be Oklahoma v. LSU

MyTurn2Raise 12-02-2007 12:36 AM

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Why? Why why why why why?

This argument should include three teams: Oklahoma, USC, and LSU. I can't comprehend how other people think there should be any other options besides those three teams.

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The goal of a season should be to declare an undisputed champ. If Hawaii loses the National title game then whatever team they lost to is the rightful national champ. Every other school would have lost including Hawaii. If Hawaii wins that game, then they've just beaten a tough team(in addittion to already beating a pretty good Boise St team) and they deserve it. Either way, I don't see how thats unfair! Whats unfair is what happened to Boise St last year. Do you not agree that Boise St did not get a fair shake last year in that they were undefeated, beat a solid Oklahoma team, and yet never got a shot at a title? That could happen again this year.

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Boise St sucked last year

a few fluke plays in a game where they were soundly outplayed

Kos13 12-02-2007 12:36 AM

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I could tolerate this.

USC plays in a better conference than OSU, they lost two games by a combined 11 points this year (one on the road against Oregon) and beat Arizona State by 20 in Tempe. USC deserves the title game much more than Ohio State, and I don't think its all that close.

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Exactly. I mean, some people are dumb enough to vote for Hawaii to make the NC, but if you ask a rational person, isn't OSU basically Hawaii-lite? They lost to a 9-3 Illini team, and they didn't dominate seemingly average Michigan and Wisconsin teams. Is this really any different than what Hawaii did: playing a cake schedule, playing like [censored], and barely winning?

Edge34 12-02-2007 12:36 AM

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Agreed. As I posted in the other thread, Hawaii has one less loss and a more impressive best victory(Boise St was ranked higher than Michigan) than OSU...why is Ohio St getting the nod?

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Because that's a ridiculously oversimplistic view of strength of schedule, accomplishment, and team strength? How about that OSU crushed most teams all year, while Hawaii had a very hard time with many very weak teams? And that OSU played a much harder (though overall still weak) schedule?

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Date Opponent Time/Result
Sep 2 Northern Colorado Won 63-6
Sep 8 @Louisiana Tech Won 45-44
Sep 15 @UNLV Won 49-14
Sep 23 Charleston Southern Won 66-10
Sep 29 @Idaho Won 48-20
Oct 7 Utah St. Won 52-37
Oct 12 @San Jose St. Won 42-35
Oct 28 New Mexico St. Won 50-13
Nov 10 Fresno St. Won 37-30
Nov 16 @Nevada Won 28-26
Nov 23 Boise St. Won 39-27
Dec 1 Washington 11:30pm

What I see there is that they crushed EVERYBODY they played, save for playing close games (discounting Nevada and LT) against the bowl eligible teams in their conference.

What you're saying is they got hurt because Michigan (and pretty much every other mainland power school) is too afraid to play them? Michigan took Hawaii out and put in Appalachian State, and we see how well that worked. I never liked punishing this team because the "power" schools don't want to get embarrassed. I'm not saying Hawaii deserves it necessarily, but it would be damn fun to watch.

FlyWf 12-02-2007 12:37 AM

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I could tolerate this.

USC plays in a better conference than OSU, they lost two games by a combined 11 points this year (one on the road against Oregon) and beat Arizona State by 20 in Tempe. USC deserves the title game much more than Ohio State, and I don't think its all that close.

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Not all that close? You happen to remember the details of that other loss USC has?

Because OSU's loss was to a team that is probably going to a BCS bowl. What is Stanford's bowl outlook this year?

pirateboy 12-02-2007 12:37 AM

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Why? Why why why why why?

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The goal of a season should be to declare an undisputed champ. If Hawaii loses the National title game then whatever team they lost to is the rightful national champ. Every other school would have lost including Hawaii. If Hawaii wins that game, then they've just beaten a tough team(in addittion to already beating a pretty good Boise St team) and they deserve it. Either way, I don't see how thats unfair! Whats unfair is what happened to Boise St last year. Do you not agree that Boise St did not get a fair shake last year in that they were undefeated, beat a solid Oklahoma team, and yet never got a shot at a title? That could happen again this year.

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I'm sorry but this argument is completely idiotic. Hawaii gets the benefit of playing the 3rd softest schedule in the land, and would have NO CHANCE of being anything better than AT BEST 9-3 with a top 30 schedule. AT BEST.

ClarkNasty 12-02-2007 12:37 AM

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Boise St sucked last year

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They dominated the first 3 quarters.

Kos13 12-02-2007 12:38 AM

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Why? Why why why why why?

This argument should include three teams: Oklahoma, USC, and LSU. I can't comprehend how other people think there should be any other options besides those three teams.

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The goal of a season should be to declare an undisputed champ. If Hawaii loses the National title game then whatever team they lost to is the rightful national champ. Every other school would have lost including Hawaii. If Hawaii wins that game, then they've just beaten a tough team(in addittion to already beating a pretty good Boise St team) and they deserve it. Either way, I don't see how thats unfair! Whats unfair is what happened to Boise St last year. Do you not agree that Boise St did not get a fair shake last year in that they were undefeated, beat a solid Oklahoma team, and yet never got a shot at a title? That could happen again this year.

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The goal is to find the best team. I didn't read anything more in your post because you've missed the point of CFB.

Austiger 12-02-2007 12:38 AM

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La Tech and San Jose St are bowl eligible?

barryc83 12-02-2007 12:38 AM

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lol @ Hawaii fanboys. they still have to play tonight. and after all this crap, i wouldnt be shocked in the least if they lose.

MyTurn2Raise 12-02-2007 12:38 AM

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no one is afraid to play them

that's the point


their field is an embarrassment that causes injuries
their fans get in brawls with opposing fans
they are unwilling to just schedule pure road games and not get the home game in exchange


Hawai'i deserves nothing, because they didn't find a way to get it done

Riverman 12-02-2007 12:40 AM

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I have made a ton of money betting Hawaii against the spread, which will continue this evening

pirateboy 12-02-2007 12:40 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

Kos13 12-02-2007 12:40 AM

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I could tolerate this.

USC plays in a better conference than OSU, they lost two games by a combined 11 points this year (one on the road against Oregon) and beat Arizona State by 20 in Tempe. USC deserves the title game much more than Ohio State, and I don't think its all that close.

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Not all that close? You happen to remember the details of that other loss USC has?

Because OSU's loss was to a team that is probably going to a BCS bowl. What is Stanford's bowl outlook this year?

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Who did you play this year?

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(I'm glad you scheduled USC next year, but it's this year. You guys kind of suck.)

pvn 12-02-2007 12:40 AM

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The other is the Big11Ten champion and hasn't played in like 2 months.

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So?

I'm definitely open to arguments that OSU shouldn't get the nod, but this isn't one of them.

thatpfunk 12-02-2007 12:41 AM

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how can you choose vt over usc?

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barryc83 12-02-2007 12:41 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

Kos13 12-02-2007 12:41 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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Exactly. This is it. OU is 3rd, but that Tech loss was big, and their schedule is weak.

And LSU and USC are both >>>>>>> OSU. So USC/LSU.

pvn 12-02-2007 12:41 AM

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You don't have Kansas in there, They are the only other 1 loss team.

Can a team go to the title game if they didn't win their conference?

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yes, teams who dont win their conference can go to the title game, which is one of about 5000 reasons the bcs is a [censored] joke

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Your argument makes no sense. A playoff system would put a non-conference winner as the national champion far more often then the bcs system does.

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Sure. But if you're going only have ONE game to decide the post season, you're going to want more stringent criteria for the participants.

pirateboy 12-02-2007 12:43 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

Edge34 12-02-2007 12:44 AM

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I could tolerate this.

USC plays in a better conference than OSU, they lost two games by a combined 11 points this year (one on the road against Oregon) and beat Arizona State by 20 in Tempe. USC deserves the title game much more than Ohio State, and I don't think its all that close.

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Not all that close? You happen to remember the details of that other loss USC has?

Because OSU's loss was to a team that is probably going to a BCS bowl. What is Stanford's bowl outlook this year?

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Well, aside from your obvious bias toward your team (mine is going to a bowl at least...), fine. Let's take Oregon out of the picture. USC lost to Stanford on a last second prayer. Statistically, USC outplayed the hell out of Stanford, but Booty kept giving the ball up at bad times. The only stat Stanford beat USC in was, obviously, the only one that matters, the score.

OSU has the benefit of playing in the Big Ten, and you can't honestly argue that Michigan and Illinois compare to the way Arizona State and Oregon played most of this year.

barryc83 12-02-2007 12:44 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

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One of USC's losses is so utterly terrible though.

rigged81 12-02-2007 12:45 AM

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I can see or TOSU vs USC TSOU vs OU as a viable option. TOSU vs LSU is not a marketable in my opinion. LSU does not equal Florida last from last year ( who played the best game ever in CF). LSU slipped by 20 games with a a lot of luck and based upon todays press conference a total clown for a head coach

Any argument that includes well they beat Boise State is a joke. Any rational CFB fan can concur

DVaut1 12-02-2007 12:45 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

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This is irrelevant because neither OU or USC is going, but even considering SOS, USC has a really bad loss (to Stanford) to take into account. OU only has a pedestrian bad loss (to Colorado) to consider.

pirateboy 12-02-2007 12:46 AM

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USC's losses to a healthy Oregon team and Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech. Thus, you go back to SOS.

FlyWf 12-02-2007 12:46 AM

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I could tolerate this.

USC plays in a better conference than OSU, they lost two games by a combined 11 points this year (one on the road against Oregon) and beat Arizona State by 20 in Tempe. USC deserves the title game much more than Ohio State, and I don't think its all that close.

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Exactly. I mean, some people are dumb enough to vote for Hawaii to make the NC, but if you ask a rational person, isn't OSU basically Hawaii-lite? They lost to a 9-3 Illini team, and they didn't dominate seemingly average Michigan and Wisconsin teams. Is this really any different than what Hawaii did: playing a cake schedule, playing like [censored], and barely winning?

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Well, USC loss to [censored] STANFORD.

Also, you just plain wrong about OSU's schedule(56th in the country, Hawaii's is 142nd, USC 33rd) and their "barely winning". They beat Wisconsin 38-17 and held Michigan under 100 yards of total offense at Michigan.

So no, OSU is not Hawaii lite.

barryc83 12-02-2007 12:46 AM

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Nah thats your opinion and very very debatable. USC lost as a 40 point favorite. That's a really really bad loss.

bottomset 12-02-2007 12:47 AM

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So had Va Tech lost to a mediocre team by 40, it would almost be better for them.

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And that's why the H2H argument is flawed. Losing to a mediocre team should never be > losing to a really good team. Other things being equal you'd put LSU above Va. Tech because of that game, but other things aren't equal. LSU lost at home to a crap team with everything on the line, and Va. Tech killed all the bad teams they played.

That being said I'd probably still put LSU slightly ahead of Va. Tech but I definitely think Va. Tech > Georgia, USC and Oklahoma.

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if it was somewhat close game sure

but a 41 point beating? come on, LSU>>>>>Va Tech

SoloAJ 12-02-2007 12:48 AM

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WHY IS OKLAHOMA NOT IN THE TITLE GAME? THEY JUST BEAT THE #1 TEAM IN THE NATION. THAT MAKES THEM THE #1 TEAM IN THE NATION!!!!!!!!!

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DVaut1 12-02-2007 12:48 AM

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Stanford is no worse than Colorado/Texas Tech

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Texas Tech - 31
Colorado - 52
Stanford - 82

Edge34 12-02-2007 12:49 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

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This is irrelevant because neither OU or USC is going, but even considering SOS, USC has a really bad loss (to Stanford) to take into account. OU only has a pedestrian bad loss (to Colorado) to consider.

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OU also lost to Texas Tech, who got beaten by all of Oklahoma State, Missouri, Colorado and Texas.

pirateboy 12-02-2007 12:49 AM

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Honestly, I'm sick and tired of focusing on "best win" or "worst loss." It's a [censored] 12-13 game schedule. Look at the whole [censored] thing.

Austiger 12-02-2007 12:50 AM

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Think how many games, and even single plays this year cost teams a spot in the title game.

Victor 12-02-2007 12:50 AM

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Agreed. As I posted in the other thread, Hawaii has one less loss and a more impressive best victory(Boise St was ranked higher than Michigan) than OSU...why is Ohio St getting the nod?

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seriously, look at the rankings before you start spouting off idiocy. wisconsin is ranked 18 in bcs while boise is 25. hawaii simply does not have a more impressive victory.

add that osu also beat mich, psu, purdue, mich st and hawaii played no one on, albeit mediocre, level of those teams.

Kos13 12-02-2007 12:50 AM

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I could tolerate this.

USC plays in a better conference than OSU, they lost two games by a combined 11 points this year (one on the road against Oregon) and beat Arizona State by 20 in Tempe. USC deserves the title game much more than Ohio State, and I don't think its all that close.

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Exactly. I mean, some people are dumb enough to vote for Hawaii to make the NC, but if you ask a rational person, isn't OSU basically Hawaii-lite? They lost to a 9-3 Illini team, and they didn't dominate seemingly average Michigan and Wisconsin teams. Is this really any different than what Hawaii did: playing a cake schedule, playing like [censored], and barely winning?

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Well, USC loss to [censored] STANFORD.

Also, you just plain wrong about OSU's schedule(56th in the country, Hawaii's is 142nd, USC 33rd) and their "barely winning". They beat Wisconsin 38-17 and held Michigan under 100 yards of total offense at Michigan.

So no, OSU is not Hawaii lite.

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Your biggest games of the year have been:

1. Beating an 8-4 team by 11 points
2. Losing to a BCS team
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4. Beating Columbus High School?

Stick OSU in the SEC, and then let's see how well they do.

ADLinden 12-02-2007 12:51 AM

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I think Oklahoma should get a serious look.

DVaut1 12-02-2007 12:51 AM

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Honestly, the only real discussion is LSU or USC.

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If you are considering USC you have to consider Oklahoma.

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No you don't. Before today, here are the Sagarin SOS numbers for those two.

Oklahoma #67
USC #33

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This is irrelevant because neither OU or USC is going, but even considering SOS, USC has a really bad loss (to Stanford) to take into account. OU only has a pedestrian bad loss (to Colorado) to consider.

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OU also lost to Texas Tech, who got beaten by all of Oklahoma State, Missouri, Colorado and Texas.

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Okay? Texas Tech is a borderline top-25 team, and is 22 in Sagarin predictor. Stanford is in the bottom third of Div 1-A.

Assani Fisher 12-02-2007 12:51 AM

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If Hawaii wins their game tonight, they should be in.

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Agreed. As I posted in the other thread, Hawaii has one less loss and a more impressive best victory(Boise St was ranked higher than Michigan) than OSU...why is Ohio St getting the nod?

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Because that's a ridiculously oversimplistic view of strength of schedule, accomplishment, and team strength? How about that OSU crushed most teams all year, while Hawaii had a very hard time with many very weak teams? And that OSU played a much harder (though overall still weak) schedule?

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If you don't think Hawaii has played enough tough teams, then put them in the title game against a tough team. That way, either way we'll know for sure. But if Hawaii doesn't get in, then we could have another Boise St situation where we truly don't know if they were the best team or not. Why would you rather not find out than find out if Hawaii is for real? I could understand your argument if there were many other deserving teams, but theres not so lets give the undefeated team a chance and see what happens. What happened to Boise St last year was a tragedy imo.

pirateboy 12-02-2007 12:51 AM

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Texas Tech - 31
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Stanford - 82

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Oregon with Dixon - 1

DVaut1 12-02-2007 12:51 AM

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Is there someone not doing this? I think this is what everyone is trying to do.


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