16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

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Hero (t2405)
Button (t4530)
SB (t1035)
BB (t5530)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t200.

Flop: (t650) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t2000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2105</font>, BB calls t105.

Turn: (t4860) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t4860) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t4860

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

shove flop. Otherwise is fine.

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

Unless you have very solid reads, this hand is standard as played. If villain hit a set or 2pair, well that's bad luck.

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

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shove flop. Otherwise is fine.

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Shoving the flop is a little steep, don't'cha think?

Hand seems pretty standard to me - I only raise to t275 preflop and then cbet a little less, but that's just me.

nh

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

seems ok

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

Looks fine. Shoving the flop is pretty sloppy IMO.

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

I dont' mind shoving the flop. although i do like it being called sloppy. The thing to think about though is when you push all-in here, you'll be getting your money in good or as a favorite probably about 85% of the time, but i'm just making that percent up. Anyways, if the BB decideds to call your 600t raise, then your in a really tough spot if an ace or heart comes off, even a King or Queen and he pushed there. That could make for a difficult call. I think getting your money all-in on this hand is better and then focusing on punishing that 1k stack. You will need to play a big pot against one of those big stacks soon, but why not wait till your in the money (which i know is a donkey thought) but that 1k stack will be forced to make a play really soon.

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

i play it the same.

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

Shoving the flop is gross, I think you played it fine.

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

Why is it so bad to shove the flop? I want to play less donkey. please explain

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Why is it so bad to shove the flop? I want to play less donkey. please explain

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You will extract value from worse hands way more often with a more standard bet than if you shove. Your objective here isn't to get worse hands to fold and better ones to call, shoving the flop helps to push out some of the people that may have called otherwise.

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

pretty standard nh

Re: 16s: How bad did I play JJ on the bubble here?
 

NH WP ect.

sry you got bad beat

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Why is it so bad to shove the flop? I want to play less donkey. please explain

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You will extract value from worse hands way more often with a more standard bet than if you shove. Your objective here isn't to get worse hands to fold and better ones to call, shoving the flop helps to push out some of the people that may have called otherwise.

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I just wanted to say that this is a key concept in poker.

When you look at hands posted here, and give advice, you need to stop and think, what exactly am I trying to achieve with the advice I'm giving? Here, what you are likely to achieve, as Kevin points out, is to get worse hands (who would pay you valuable chips) to fold, and better hands (who you will now lose your whole stack to) to call. There's something to be said for winning the hand right away in some circumstances, but on this flop, so many of your calls are coming from bad hands that you don't want to do that.