Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

mondo,

you are arguing two things. one is who you think will get in, and the other is who you think the BBWAA will let in.

somehow i am not surprised that you think these things match up perfectly

Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

Mondo,
Assuming steroids are irrelevant (I know they aren't, but just work under that assumption)
McGwire got on base more often and hit for more power than Rice. They played for a similar amount of time. How is Rice better?

Tim Raines' OPS+ was similar to Rice he played for longer and he had much more value running and defensively.

McGwire >>>>>>> Kingman.

Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

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McGwire was certainly a better batter than Kingman -- I'm not saying the two are *exactly alike*. However, Kingman is the most comparable career stat line to McGwire of those who are out there, and given the controversy, I just don't see him getting in.

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Dissimilar

Kingman = career .236/.302/.478
McGwire = career .263 /.394 /.588

More similar

Kilebrew = career .256/.376/.509
McCovey = career .270/.374/.515
Cash = career .271/.374/.488

Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

Rice is not better than McGuire, that said, they probably both belong in the hall of fame.

Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

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mondo,

you are arguing two things. one is who you think will get in, and the other is who you think the BBWAA will let in.

somehow i am not surprised that you think these things match up perfectly

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I hardly think they match up perfectly. I think Gossage and Rice are years overdue, and their exclusion thus far is pretty unforgivable. Clearly, I've been wrong about those guys for several years.

Like I said, it wouldn't really shock me if McGwire eventually gets in, but I don't see where, in the last 10 years or so, the guys who were first eligible and weren't really close to getting in, eventually got in. So I think, in this case, McGwire ends up not getting in.

Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

goose gossage deserves to be in the HOF simply due to his awesome mustache and cool name

Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

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sylar - don't you remember Lee Smith as a Yankee, or are you that young?

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in 1993 i was busy throwing empty bottles at communists occupying this building.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...x-T628776A.jpg

Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

im surprised that no one here has picked shawon dunston

Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

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McGwire was certainly a better batter than Kingman -- I'm not saying the two are *exactly alike*. However, Kingman is the most comparable career stat line to McGwire of those who are out there, and given the controversy, I just don't see him getting in.

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Dissimilar

Kingman = career .236/.302/.478
McGwire = career .263 /.394 /.588

More similar

Kilebrew = career .256/.376/.509
McCovey = career .270/.374/.515
Cash = career .271/.374/.488

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Most similar players (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mcgwima01.shtml)

Jim Thome (826)
Jose Canseco (808)
Carlos Delgado (803)
Harmon Killebrew (783) *
Willie McCovey (767) *
Jason Giambi (756)
Juan Gonzalez (739)
Norm Cash (736)
Dave Kingman (732)
Manny Ramirez (730)

*HOF

Two HOF in top 5, a couple of other probables as well. Also Kingman is in there.

Re: My Hall of Fame Ballot
 

Mosdef,
All of those similarity scores are pretty low fwiw.