10/20, FH, weird river bet from villain
 

10/20, 3handed.
Villain is fairly tight, 21/13/2, which is stats from mostly 3- and 4-handed play. I have however seen him play higher, and never lower than 10/20, so I expect him to have some kind of understanding of the game.
I am playing 35/28/4. We recently played a hand, where I turn a straight, and he calls a potsized CR on the turn w/ 77 for a dobbelt gutter (I had 75 on a board reading T86-4), and rivers a 9 for the split, so he might expect me to be a bit tilty.

3K stacks.

Btn. folds, I make it 80 in SB w/ 22, he calls.

Flop: K62, 2 spades.

I bet 115, he calls.

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet 280, he calls again.

River: K, non-spade.

Two things. I plan to check-raise all-in. How does that sound to you?

Anyways, that was what I planned to. Pot is ~960, and now he bets 1050. Wtf? I've never seen him making overbets, even this small an overbet. Is it still a good idea to CRAI? I got 2600 total.

- AB

Re: 10/20, FH, weird river bet from villain
 

nah, I think it's now a call. he's repping the nuts, and on the odd (or not so odd) chance he doesn't have it, a CR to that sized bet is so strong he'll find a fold with anything worse.

Re: 10/20, FH, weird river bet from villain
 

I think villain shows up with a flush/trips here more often than a FH given flop/turn action, but I doubt he is calling a c/r with either of those hands so calling looks good to me.

Re: 10/20, FH, weird river bet from villain
 

I like shipping here, only thing i'm really worried about is KJ, all other FH's would have raised already.

Seems to me there is a lot of value in shoving. If he thinks you're tilty, he's probably not folding anything he's v-betting on the river.

Re: 10/20, FH, weird river bet from villain
 

I might just lead river, but I'm sure c/r is fine if he bet less. I just call river since you have no feel for villain's overbet tendencies.

Re: 10/20, FH, weird river bet from villain
 

Do you think cr < lead, or is it about the same?

Re: 10/20, FH, weird river bet from villain
 

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a CR to that sized bet is so strong he'll find a fold with anything worse.

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What do you say to the initial plan of cr a normal sized bet? Is he calling w/ worse ever, or should I just bet?

My reasoning was that all the hands, that are calling a close to psb on the river are betting anyways, so I might as well go for the cr and hope that he mistakes me for tilting and bluffing him off an obviously not all that great of a hand (unless he has KJ ofc). It just seems like I'm missing some arguments for the cr (like e.g. is he ever paying me off, and should I just be betting all the time 'cause it's better for streamlining my play, etc etc).

Anyone?

Re: 10/20, FH, weird river bet from villain
 

With your image I would stick it in for sure. He could easily have a flush here, and he will not fold it - and I don't think he should against you.

However, I think you should pot the river instead of making a c-r. You 3-barrel a lot, and you have to push it hard with your best hands to balance things out. I know that this a good board to c-r, but I don't think YOU should do it.

To sum up: As played you are burning money if you just call, but I think you should bet out in the first play. He will push a flush, if he knows your game.

Re: 10/20, FH, weird river bet from villain
 

I'd say given the action you will have the best hand the vast majority of the time so no need to overthink it, once he bets fist pump shove.

Kirk

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I'd say given the action you will have the best hand the vast majority of the time so no need to overthink it, once he bets fist pump shove.

Kirk

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