In the pond (HG) with Frond
 

4/8 @ Hawaiian Gardens @ a pretty nice table. NO PF raisers, except us. Lots of chasing, lots of crap showdowns. (Hey, Frond, did you notice how FEW crap showdowns occurred with either of US in the hand? Like ZERO!!)

In any event, here is a hand that tests what you would do against a well known opponent. I am on the Button and Frond is 2 seats on my right. 3 players limp before him and Frond Raises. I am on the Button ATo. Your action? Fold, call or go 3? If you can, be detailed about why you choose that action. And if you think you know my style, would my action be any different? (Yes, you can assume I chose to play "for real" and not mess with my friend...this time.)

PS while Frond was having a good time, I went 0 for 10 in PF raises connecting with the board, AA lost 2 out of 3 times, too and I ONLY lost 1/2 a rack. This table had potential that I left untapped.

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i instamuck pf. ATs is closer. i wouldn't think he's raising 3 limpers too light. if he was openraising you might have something to talk about.

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muck.

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instafold

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Too easy. 3 mucks and we're out. Figured the only hand I could beat was KQo but was p.o.'ed about getting raised out of a juicy hand and position. And I got raised out TWICE in the same session by Frond with me holding the identical ATo hand.

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I did switch and moved a few seats so I could have you as close to my left as I could [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].

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This is a standard call preflop, call the flop, and then raise any turn. Frond folds everything but the nuts to a raise on the big streets. This works really well if you give him an evil grin while raising...

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Another tip to use against me: I also have been known to defend very light against a few 2+2ers in the BB.

Q3o: The new AKs [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Another tip to use against me: I also have been known to defend very light against a few 2+2ers in the BB.

Q3o: The new AKs [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Assuming you consider c/f 98% of flops as defending [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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Yea against my range I would def muck that AT there. The other hand I had where you mucked the AT it was probably a good fold as well. With those turds I wasn't raising light.

PS. I was just kidding about the defending light thing in case anyone thought I was serious. Or then again??????

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So Frond's in the HJ, perhaps looking to buy the button? Still an easy-peasy fold, no? If an Ace flops and Frond has one he's probably crushing you (unless raising a little light with A9s/A8s); how would you play it? Would you have to raise flop to see if he has one and then be able to safely dump your hand before it gets too expensive? But what if there are other draws that he could be pumping or thinking that you're pumping?

The kicker for me though is why get in a hand with a good player with a mediocre hand? I simply fold and wait for a better spot to take money off the fishies.

GcluelessnoobG

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This is a standard call preflop, call the flop, and then raise any turn. Frond folds everything but the nuts to a raise on the big streets. This works really well if you give him an evil grin while raising...

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there are other players in the hand

fold pf plz

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Another tip to use against me: I also have been known to defend very light against a few 2+2ers in the BB.

Q3o: The new AKs [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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that's very wrong to do in lower limit games. The rake is just too devastating to play HU OOP without a good hand.

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And his position was not optimal to ty something against 3 limpers. Also, some of these limpers were time bombs because they uniformly were NOT PF raising premium hands.

James, you hit a valuable distinction on the issue of suitage. I would have stayed in with ATs facing 6+ on the Button with a nut flush draw. While I'm not thrilled about possibly being dominated on the big card side of my hand, I have enough players on the flush draw side and I have the Button, so with that many opponents and position, I would cold call, but not 3 bet my flush draw PF.

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This is a standard call preflop, call the flop, and then raise any turn. Frond folds everything but the nuts to a raise on the big streets. This works really well if you give him an evil grin while raising...

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there are other players in the hand

fold pf plz

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good level snowball

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This is a standard call preflop, call the flop, and then raise any turn. Frond folds everything but the nuts to a raise on the big streets. This works really well if you give him an evil grin while raising...

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there are other players in the hand

fold pf plz

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good level snowball

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Good level? Not sure that means kit.
As far as my suggestion, I think I forgot to include the <sarcasm> tags snowball. I play poker with Frond a lot. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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lock pls