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Hicows 09-20-2007 04:35 PM

Am I a Fish 2?
 

Hello everyone. I made a play this afternoon that was very criticized by my opponent. But I really think I made the right play here it is:

15 players Sitngo tournament 10$ buy-in pays the first three places (30$, 45$, 75$). 2 players left. blinds 75 - 150.



I ( player A) am on the button with 4d 7d and I have about 18k chips

PLayer B has 4500 chips

PLayer A raises to 650$
PLayer B calls

The pot is now 1500$

the flop is

4c 8c qd

player B checks
player A bets 750
player B moves all in for about 3000.
The pot is about 5500 chips
player A calls for 2500.
player B turns over KK

The turn is Ad
The river is 7h



As you see I luckily win, the river giving me 2pair.

Player gently tells me I made some kind of a huge mistake, calling overpair with bottom pair where I was a 4 to 1 underdog, but I disagree.

I was offered good odds 2,25 to 1). If he had an overpair (what he actually had) I was a 4 to 1 dog, but there was a club draw on the board, so he may have made that play with any two clubs, where i had a coin flip. Less probably but still possible with hands like T9 or JT, maybe even J9, or overcards. So I think 2,25 to 1 odds are worth it
One more reason is I had the big stack, so I was still in even if I lost this one. And player B having seen me make this kind of play, I could value bet a lot more easily, and he could get scared to mess with me with nothing.

Overall I think it was a good call.

What do you think?

shoefactory 09-20-2007 04:39 PM

Re: Am I a Fish 2?
 
I think you are a fish for:

1. calling with junk PF
2. calling with junk on flop

Hicows 09-20-2007 04:45 PM

Re: Am I a Fish 2?
 
I didn't called with junk pf, I raised...

WCGRider 09-20-2007 05:01 PM

Re: Am I a Fish 2?
 
you are a fish/bad. But if you want any help ask for help, dont ask if you are bad. (Fold PF and flop)

thoman8r 09-20-2007 05:13 PM

Re: Am I a Fish 2?
 
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What do you think?

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It was a bad call. Even if he just has the flush draw + over cards, you are a coinflip or worse; add in the possibility (probability) of an overpair, set, TPTK, TP+FD, and all sorts of combo draws and you are not getting the odds to call his all-in.
35,640 games 0.005 secs 7,128,000 games/sec

Board: 4c 8c Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 21.911% 21.90% 00.01% 7806 3.00 { 7d4d }
Hand 1: 78.089% 78.08% 00.01% 27828 3.00 { QQ+, 88, 44, AcKc, AQs, AcJc, KcQc, JcTc, Tc9c, AQo }

Rek 09-20-2007 05:31 PM

Re: Am I a Fish 2?
 
Played like a fish from start to finish I'm afraid

Hicows 09-20-2007 05:58 PM

Re: Am I a Fish 2?
 
How about that distribution? .

Board: 4c 8c Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.761% 30.71% 00.05% 59894 99.50 { 7d4d }
Hand 1: 69.239% 69.19% 00.05% 134937 99.50 { 88+, 4h4s, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KsQs, KsJs, KsTs, Ks9s, Ks8s, Ks7s, Ks6s, Ks5s, Q4s+, J8s+, Js7s, Js6s, 98s, 9s7s, AQo+, A8o, K8o, Q4o+ }

Carolina Pirate 09-20-2007 06:03 PM

Re: Am I a Fish 2?
 
You're heads up with a 4:1 chip advantage and position so raising there is not out of the question preflop, you hit the flop so there's no way you getting off that hand. No shame int he way you played it.

Niediam 09-20-2007 06:10 PM

Re: Am I a Fish 2?
 
You played fine.

Hicows 09-20-2007 06:11 PM

Re: Am I a Fish 2?
 
For those who think i shoud have folded preflop.

I have this:


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.849% 39.11% 02.74% 820337671 57481944.50 { 7d4d }
Hand 1: 58.151% 55.41% 02.74% 1162270840 57481944.50 { random }

so I at least call. In position with 4:1 advantage in chips: I raise


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