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whyzze 11-23-2007 02:14 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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I need a coach/mentor. Any one interested please PM me. I can pay for coaching.

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imo, you aren't going to be able to afford decent coaching unless you are spending more than your roll.



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***Not a coaching advert***

That's not completely true. I agree if you go with the top level coaches and you play NL50 you're gonna pay alot in relationship to your bankroll. But, there should be a middle ground that you can afford to get you to SSNL so that you can build up a roll there and then afford that type of coaching. I charged a buy-in per coaching session for NL50 players back when I coached a bit and I think that's a fair price for them, with the purpose of getting them up to SSNL.

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you are definately correct. I think solid coaches are going to be hard to find. They need to truely care about the coaching. your price is very good imo, but most people are not going to be as generous as you are.. Most of the affordable coaching isn't going to be of incredibly high value.

wingchunflush 11-23-2007 02:25 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I was crushing 10nl for like or 7 ptbb/100 before I moved up. I think I am trying to play too aggressive. I dont think that floating at 10nl is +ev. I know that I am too aggro with my draws because there isnt alot of FE against most of these guys. I usually play 23/19 or so but I have tightened up to playing 22+ and AQ+ I think the majority of it yesterday was just coolers an some marginal situations that I probably could have gotten away from, but just didnt. AJ COACH ME, I will give you 2 buy ins per hour lol. I saw your graph so no saying our not good enough.

Shizzle12345 11-23-2007 03:04 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
wooppdiefkingdooo , 4 months ago i played 50NL. Motivation for you all :P 50NL winners to move the hell up . since those 1/2 and 2/4 graphs were always a huge motivation for me to move up :P, the CTS graphs are my motivation now lol . This is sickest heater ever for me so far, like 23 buyins.
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9332/novembermc7.jpg

Hebel 11-23-2007 03:16 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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It has a lot to do with your mindset imo.

Dunno what you play, but NL10 is easy to beat.
You can be a winningplayer only by table selection and playing JJ+, AJs+. They dont recognize how tight you are, etc.

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fallacious. I won at nl 10 when i learned how to value bet. then my graph skyrocketed.

dawade 11-23-2007 03:33 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Is there anything more frustrating than starting a session and IMMEDIATELY dropping 2 BI?

UGH.

derosnec 11-23-2007 03:35 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Is there anything more frustrating than starting a session and IMMEDIATELY dropping 2 BI?

UGH.

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i only play AA-KK now, so this doesn't happen often.

Hebel 11-23-2007 03:36 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I dont think i ever start a session without losing a couple bis. good for table image/implied odds

andy099 11-23-2007 03:43 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Note to self: must fold once in a while when opponent shows aggresion- he ain't always bluffing

hennnerz 11-23-2007 03:46 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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wooppdiefkingdooo , 4 months ago i played 50NL. Motivation for you all :P 50NL winners to move the hell up . since those 1/2 and 2/4 graphs were always a huge motivation for me to move up :P, the CTS graphs are my motivation now lol . This is sickest heater ever for me so far, like 23 buyins.
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9332/novembermc7.jpg

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Seriously gd job bro, lifetime graph?

derosnec 11-23-2007 03:46 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
quick note on finding leaks, because i just spent an hour or so reviewing PT for novemeber:

go to PT, filter for exactly 3 off the button, which is utg, and look at the hands you're in the red with. then do it for 2 off the button (click on VPIP filter), and so on.

what you will likely see, at least i did, is that there is a lot more red, and your bb per hand is lower, than when exactly on the button.

this is likely because of position (we get sucked out/coolered in every position) because we have to check-fold turn or multi-barrel.

anyways, obvious and simple, but really hit home for me when i reviewed it even though i know to be tighter out of position, yet gradually i had loosened up alot out of position in november. does the metagame/increase in VPIP/PFR make up for it? at 50nl, i dunno, but i doubt it.

hennnerz 11-23-2007 03:47 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $50
UTG+1: $63.10
CO: $46
Button: $10.70
SB: $75.45
BB: $51.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $8</font>, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $16</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($64, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $24</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $24</font>.

Results:
Final pot: $112
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed 5c 5s</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero mucks 3s 6s</font>

[censored] I suck at raising trash because it's the last hand before I end my session, then picking up a querky draw on a rather dangerous but interesting board and call a PSb with nowhere near pot odds...

andy099 11-23-2007 04:17 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
there are some complete maniacs playing today. crazy action

ValueKill 11-23-2007 04:20 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I love UB

Hand #48009948-16881 at Tylertown (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 23/Nov/07 11:51:31

gost_rider is at seat 0 with $320.55.
firegrl714 is at seat 1 with $19.15.
cashpower is at seat 2 with $18.15.
ValueKill is at seat 3 with $90.40.
MV740 is at seat 4 with $18.05.
romncoke89 is at seat 5 with $47.90.
The button is at seat 4.

romncoke89 posts the small blind of $.25.
gost_rider posts the big blind of $.50.

gost_rider: -- --
firegrl714: -- --
cashpower: -- --
ValueKill: 3s 3h
MV740: -- --
romncoke89: -- --

Pre-flop:

firegrl714 folds. cashpower calls. ValueKill raises
to $2.25. MV740 folds. romncoke89 folds.
gost_rider re-raises to $7.50. cashpower calls.
ValueKill calls.

Flop (board: 5h 3c 3d):

gost_rider bets $.50. cashpower calls. ValueKill
calls.

Turn (board: 5h 3c 3d Ks):

gost_rider bets $24.25. cashpower goes all-in for
$10.15. ValueKill calls.

River (board: 5h 3c 3d Ks 2d):

gost_rider bets $.50. ValueKill goes all-in for
$58.15. gost_rider calls.



Showdown:

ValueKill shows 3s 3h.
ValueKill has 3s 3h 3c 3d Ks: four threes.
gost_rider mucks cards.
(gost_rider has Ad Kd.)
cashpower shows Qd Qs.
cashpower has Qd Qs 3c 3d Ks: two pair, queens and threes.


Hand #48009948-16881 Summary:

$3 is raked from a total pot of $199.20.
$2.70 is raked from the main pot of $54.70.
$.30 is raked from side pot #1 of $144.50.
$.50 jackpot contribution is raked.
ValueKill wins the main pot $51.50 with four threes.
ValueKill wins the side pot $144.20 with four threes.
----------------------------------------------------------------

Hand #48009948-17205 at Tylertown (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 23/Nov/07 14:47:41

gost_rider is at seat 0 with $184.55.
yoho24 is at seat 1 with $27.10.
donorXXX is at seat 2 with $49.15.
ValueKill is at seat 3 with $326.45.
Mstp34 is at seat 4 with $7.90.
jake4pack is at seat 5 with $32.25.
The button is at seat 1.

donorXXX posts the small blind of $.25.
ValueKill posts the big blind of $.50.

gost_rider: -- --
yoho24: -- --
donorXXX: -- --
ValueKill: 7s Ts
Mstp34: -- --
jake4pack: -- --

Pre-flop:

Mstp34 calls. jake4pack folds. gost_rider calls.
yoho24 folds. donorXXX calls. ValueKill raises to
$2.50. Mstp34 folds. gost_rider calls. donorXXX
folds.

Flop (board: 9s Js 3s):

ValueKill bets $4.50. gost_rider raises to $19.50.
ValueKill calls.

Turn (board: 9s Js 3s 8d):

ValueKill checks. gost_rider bets $45. ValueKill
raises to $90. gost_rider goes all-in for $162.55.
ValueKill calls.

River (board: 9s Js 3s 8d 2h):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

gost_rider shows 3h 3d.
gost_rider has 3h 3d 9s Js 3s: three threes.
ValueKill shows 7s Ts.
ValueKill has 7s Ts 9s Js 3s: flush, jack high.


Hand #48009948-17205 Summary:

$3 is raked from a pot of $370.10.
$.50 jackpot contribution is raked.
ValueKill wins $366.60 with flush, jack high.
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thing85 11-23-2007 04:24 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Hand converter or BBV or both please.

wingchunflush 11-23-2007 04:31 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Hand converter or BBV or both please.

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QFT

sivadom 11-23-2007 04:40 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Whats a reasonable stat for folded SB/BB to steal? I'm playing 15/12/3.5 fwiw. I saw someone say in a locked thread that 90% was bad. Mine is 90%. Any input appreciated

fozzy71 11-23-2007 04:44 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Hand converter or BBV or both please.

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QFT

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No doubt.

That took me at least 2 or 3 full rolls of the mouse-wheel to scroll past. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

kolotoure 11-23-2007 04:45 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
defending too much is a lot worse then folding too much

Wilpro 11-23-2007 04:50 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Makes sense for your blind defending to be (100%-PFR%) or maybe a little higher, so from your stats 90% is reasonable.

whyzze 11-23-2007 04:52 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
and now I'm a pooh-bah.

I will use this post to post a graph/brag since I have moved up at the very end of October. This graph is november.


http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2...eeeeeeexf0.png


downswing will hurt.

thing85 11-23-2007 05:00 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
whyzze, is that mostly HU?

fozzy71 11-23-2007 05:00 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Please to be teaching me the "Way of Whyzze".

whyzze 11-23-2007 05:27 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
its 6max until 14k, then HU till the end.


The way of the whyzze is:

hu&gt;6max

DaycareInferno 11-23-2007 05:30 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
hey, whyzze. just out of curiosity, what are your rb stats during your HU sessions so far?

Micro Donk 11-23-2007 05:32 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
people need to start weighting their ranges more when making pokerstove calculations

how you do it: open pokerstove, click the "player 1" or 2 or whatever, then click "preflop". go to the btrtom right to where all the suits 2 in a row click. for offsuit you get 12 combos of it, and for suited you get 4 combos. if you think someone will play a certain hand half the time, click 6 of them to deselect them. repeat

because non weighted ranges can hurt stove calculations sometimes

whyzze 11-23-2007 05:39 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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hey, whyzze. just out of curiosity, what are your rb stats during your HU sessions so far?

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20k hands, 1450 mgr = 390 in RB.

Thats a rough estimate.

sixsixtie 11-23-2007 05:52 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Is it possible the 50nl is really that different a game?
http://i18.tinypic.com/6x0hzqo.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/6tndnv7.jpg

kolotoure 11-23-2007 05:56 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
You're prob getting FPS. I know I do whenever I try to move up

SDone 11-23-2007 05:58 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
WHY THE [censored] CAN'T I WIN A HAND?!?!?

derosnec 11-23-2007 06:01 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
your fold blinds to steal is low imo. even though you might have the requisite share of the pie with certain hands, playing marginal hands oop to a pfr is not going to be +EV (i.e. you're going to have cr/ bluff, call down light, check/fold, 3-bet light, etc too often).

sixsixtie 11-23-2007 06:03 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Thanks. I mean that doesn't account for everything but it helps!

LT22 11-23-2007 06:15 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
do u table select? NL50 on stars makes me chuckle

sixsixtie 11-23-2007 06:34 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Yes I practice fairly good table selection.

ICMoney 11-23-2007 06:54 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Nice graph whyzze.

Do you play 2 HU matches at a time?
Which stakes?

later and gl

ama0330 11-23-2007 06:59 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $50
UTG+1: $63.10
CO: $46
Button: $10.70
SB: $75.45
BB: $51.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $8</font>, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $16</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($64, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $24</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $24</font>.

Results:
Final pot: $112
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed 5c 5s</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero mucks 3s 6s</font>

[censored] I suck at raising trash because it's the last hand before I end my session, then picking up a querky draw on a rather dangerous but interesting board and call a PSb with nowhere near pot odds...

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lol @ flop call

Bantam222 11-23-2007 07:08 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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[ QUOTE ]
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $50
UTG+1: $63.10
CO: $46
Button: $10.70
SB: $75.45
BB: $51.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $8</font>, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $16</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($64, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $24</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $24</font>.

Results:
Final pot: $112
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed 5c 5s</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero mucks 3s 6s</font>

[censored] I suck at raising trash because it's the last hand before I end my session, then picking up a querky draw on a rather dangerous but interesting board and call a PSb with nowhere near pot odds...

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lol @ flop call

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backdoor straight flush draw

hennnerz 11-23-2007 07:13 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $50
UTG+1: $63.10
CO: $46
Button: $10.70
SB: $75.45
BB: $51.85

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2</font>, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($8, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 bets $8</font>, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($32, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $16</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($64, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $24</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $24</font>.

Results:
Final pot: $112
<font color="#ffffff">SB showed 5c 5s</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero mucks 3s 6s</font>

[censored] I suck at raising trash because it's the last hand before I end my session, then picking up a querky draw on a rather dangerous but interesting board and call a PSb with nowhere near pot odds...

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lol @ flop call

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backdoor straight flush draw

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LDO, and lol @ PFR.

Lol at turn/river?

latvaniemi 11-23-2007 07:13 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Chasing a Gutshot backdoorflush on a paired board is a worse way of spending money than buying a thailadyboy. And i'm not even into them :/

Bantam222 11-23-2007 07:15 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Chasing a Gutshot backdoorflush on a paired board is a worse way of spending money than buying a thailadyboy. And i'm not even into them :/

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its a backdoor straight flush draw so the paired board doesn't matter ldo

hennnerz 11-23-2007 07:21 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Call me a fish but im not folding a backdoor straight flush draw, imo


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