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vixticator 11-10-2007 05:03 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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If we could get more hands in live I could make sooo much money at casinos.....though I gues they'd go broke faster (but there are prolly more fishes live, right, I dunno)...all I know is live games are ridiculously soft and I still make more $ per hour online because you can play so many more hands online than live per hour.

[/ QUOTE ]Not many people go to a casino to sit and wait for hands. It's all gamble. Totally standard for a table to have PFR of 8xbb or higher too, lol. You can almost just nut peddle. I'll gamble it up with them a bit too, I shoved the sucker straight for like 200bb at Mandalay Bay and two people called me neither had me beat or had a set. Two pair and one with middle pair + gutshot... gutshot sucked out. That sucked. But, make it back so easy. Most tables just never going to see someone fold middle pair. Every now and then you run into a player who makes a big fold, but then he keeps doing it in really dumb spots where it's a trivial call.

The only downside is live players are INCREDIBLY annoying. But it's fun at the right table along with hugely profitable. I left a juicy game at the Tropicana because this one tool was tanking every hand and complained more in 20 mins than Hellmuth has done in his lifetime... in 200nl! Ugh.


edit: Bah, FT MTT I raised CO with AJ, station calls on button. J33 flop. A few hands ago I bet flop and c/f turn. So, I bet. He calls. Blank on turn. I check. He bets. I shove. He instacalls with J9 spikes a 9, weeeeeeee! FU poker gawds.

Phildo 11-10-2007 05:07 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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craps >>>>>>>>>>>baccar at>>>blackjack


except baccarat is kind of boring...craps is definately the most fun and has the 2nd best EV.

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Ah...blackjack's the only table game I know how to play (knowing how to play means having a +ev edge or having the lowest -ev disadvantage). And I really think I could pull off one of the simple counting systmes like KO or Hi/Lo but only if there were 3 or fewer players at the table....more than that + the dealer going as fast as he/she does and I get lost after 3-5 hands. Maybe if I practiced it....but that'd be stupid since I already have such an edge at certain poker games and I would rarely travel to AC to play blackjack.....plus their deck penetration is always gonna be an issue and I would likely need to learn a more complicated counting system to be able to really count on it to make some money.

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The problem is they catch on real quick when you start changing your bet sizes. That's why it's done with teams.

kroeliewoelie 11-10-2007 05:08 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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Don't open up UTG. Open up on the button. Raise ATC. 2nd barrel a lot, value bet 2nd pair, bluff raise.

My 929 sample at 10 NL (35/33/5): 12 buy-ins up, 60ptBB/100. That is an hourly winrate of $32.41, or more than 3 buy-ins an hour 3 tabling. I think I am going to experiment a little bit more with this style and if I am still succesfull after 5K hands I am going to experiment at 20NL.

Another good thing is that your opponents go insane. I just stacked 3 people in 17 hands.

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open up as in raise the hand not open my game up. guess i should have said raise. i take it your first lang not eng? not trying to be an ass if that how it sounds just think you mistook what i meant. i only play like a 21/18 game overall so i'm no lag by any stretch.

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English is indeed not my first language, but I did understand that you meant raising those hands UTG. What I meant to say is that I am starting to believe a lot of us still overestimate the importance of their cards. A lot of opponents at 10NL are so unobservant that they don't notice I play ATC from the button, but play tight everywhere else. This means I am getting an insane amount of action and am practically able to openshove my good hands OOP, because they think I am pushing them around OOP just as I am doing it IP. This is obviously not true. I only do insane things IP, because it's a lot cheaper there.

So the bottomline is: I think it may be easier to play J5o profitable on the button than playing T9s UTG.

Lego05 11-10-2007 05:15 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Oh man I love live MTT's especially if they have a decent BI...so much fun and the break from really playing plus the poss. of a huge score.

I remember one time though in a live MTT...one hand a shortsack goes all-in so on the button I raise with like A3 or something cause I'm ahead of his range and I'm iso'ing. Eeveryone folds and he's got like QT or w/e...he beats me.


A few hands later I raise CO or button with 88-TT or something, I don't remember exactly and this chick in the blinds makes a reraise (that totally commits both our stacks.)....I tank for like a minute and fold saying you have a bigger pair than me. (I mean I think that's fair + in my limited experience girls are generally much tighter than most guys.) She shows like A8 and says...well I saw you raise A3 before.


And you are so right about the cash games. Nobody goes to a casino to play so they can fold. And the standard raise is at least 8BB's...in my experience it's a bit bigger and often times several people will call and your reraise to 25-35 BB's will get called. They are so ridiculously soft.




Any rule against bringing your laptop to a casino and playing 7 tables online at the same time as playing 1 live?

Lego05 11-10-2007 05:19 AM

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craps >>>>>>>>>>>baccar at>>>blackjack


except baccarat is kind of boring...craps is definately the most fun and has the 2nd best EV.

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Ah...blackjack's the only table game I know how to play (knowing how to play means having a +ev edge or having the lowest -ev disadvantage). And I really think I could pull off one of the simple counting systmes like KO or Hi/Lo but only if there were 3 or fewer players at the table....more than that + the dealer going as fast as he/she does and I get lost after 3-5 hands. Maybe if I practiced it....but that'd be stupid since I already have such an edge at certain poker games and I would rarely travel to AC to play blackjack.....plus their deck penetration is always gonna be an issue and I would likely need to learn a more complicated counting system to be able to really count on it to make some money.

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The problem is they catch on real quick when you start changing your bet sizes. That's why it's done with teams.

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Yea...yea I know. I wonder if you just randomized your bet a little bit. Like I mean just changing it up by a little bit even when nothing's really changed + drinking something you brought and acting drunk. Prolly take a while to catch on if they ever did.


I've pretty much resigned to just playing every very once and a while with girlfriend just for fun though and maybe occasionally playing singe deck (again mostly for fun) where I think it's much easier to do this. [The floor guy though was watching me quite a bit when I was playing single deck....He let me play the match play when I wanted to though when the dealer asked if I could.]

johnnybeef 11-10-2007 05:22 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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What was your ROI at 60's if you don't mind? Mine was only like 3% or so for the time I played them.

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I don't think that I have more than 1k sngs at stars in my career. At the 55s on party i was making somewhere around $5 per sng played while 8 tabling, so I guess that makes 9%.

Lego05 11-10-2007 05:22 AM

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So the bottomline is: I think it may be easier to play J5o profitable on the button than playing T9s UTG.

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I agree. Both are standard folds for me...but I'd rather open J5o on button. However T9s in MP or CO are both more +ev than J9o on button I think....and I think for at least some players better than me T9s UTG is probably (though not definitely) more +ev than J5o on button.

Lego05 11-10-2007 05:24 AM

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What was your ROI at 60's if you don't mind? Mine was only like 3% or so for the time I played them.

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I don't think that I have more than 1k sngs at stars in my career. At the 55s on party i was making somewhere around $5 per sng played while 8 tabling, so I guess that makes 9%.

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Ah yea I never played at party....missed the gravy train I guess.


9% at that level is real good in my book though.





I'm kinda drunk btw if nobody noticed.

dthorne04 11-10-2007 05:29 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
drinking = + EV on a friday night imo

Lego05 11-10-2007 05:34 AM

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drinking = + EV on a friday night imo

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AGREE. I started 7 hours ago....took it slow though and now back at home just eating popcorn, watching Futurama DVD and polishing off last beer I have.

dthorne04 11-10-2007 05:37 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
what kind of beer are you drinking?

also what kind of popcorn?

and i started 3 hours ago, when i started my damn donkaments on stars. it's honestly the best way to get through them.

edit: what season of futurama, goddammit i'm bored.

Lego05 11-10-2007 05:43 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
All Coors (except like 2 Keystones) Last one that I'm on now is Coors.


Popcorn is "Newman's Own" I honestly never heard of it before but somebody gave it to me. I don't remember who but it was definitely one of the following: Girlfriend, Mom, Aunt.


I think it's season 3. Watching the Space Honey episode right now. (Girlfriend bought me the 4 disc pack for my last birthday.



Donkaments are fun sometimes but so frustrating when you spend so much time and don't go deep on any. I like the ones on Stars though where you start with 3K chips.

vixticator 11-10-2007 05:43 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I wish I was drinking. Just 3bet and bet hard on three streets and called down by 88 with several overcards. Life tilt imo.

Micro Donk 11-10-2007 05:44 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
seems like the convos always turn to alcohol on friday nights

but you can ignore me, im just the old nit thats against alcohol consumption

Lego05 11-10-2007 05:45 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
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I wish I was drinking. Just 3bet and bet hard on three streets and called down by 88 with several overcards. Life tilt imo.

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Bluffing live is so -ev most of the time.

vixticator 11-10-2007 05:46 AM

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seems like the convos always turn to alcohol on friday nights

but you can ignore me, im just the old nit thats against alcohol consumption

[/ QUOTE ]The last three times I drank ended up throwing up, lol. I can't hold it. Been that way ever since I drank WAY too much whiskey one night and had a sick hangover. The odor just sends chills up my spine. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

whyzze 11-10-2007 05:47 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
PUKE AND RALLY


learn the good ol' finger trick.

vixticator 11-10-2007 05:49 AM

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Bluffing live is so -ev most of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]It was a 30nl table @ FT. Without much a read.

vixticator 11-10-2007 05:51 AM

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PUKE AND RALLY


learn the good ol' finger trick.

[/ QUOTE ]The feeling of being drunk also makes me sick now. It sucks. Oh well. Drugs ftw.

Lego05 11-10-2007 05:51 AM

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Bluffing live is so -ev most of the time.

[/ QUOTE ]It was a 30nl table @ FT. Without much a read.

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LOL. Oh.


And yea to the puke and rally.


Try something other than whskey for a while..... Though personally I really enjoy me some whiskey. Mixed with coke preferably....or if it's some good whiskey then it ain't bad on the rocks either......and if desperate mixed with some iced tea can work.

dthorne04 11-10-2007 06:02 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
life tilt. 7th, blah. multiple limpers, complete idiot utg who i don't think has ever played poker before...shove TT with 20ish bbs, ofc he has JJ. blah donkaments. must drink more rum.

john voight 11-10-2007 06:22 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Unstoppable!!!11

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.30 BB (2 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero ($62.20)
Button ($35.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7h.gif.
[color=#CC3333]Button raises to $1.05</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $3</font>, Button calls $1.80.

Flop: ($5.85) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/jh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2c.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $4.5</font>, Button calls $4.50.

Turn: ($14.85) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7c.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]Button bets $7.5</font>, Hero calls $7.50.

River: ($29.85) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/3d.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
Hero checks, [color=#CC3333]Button bets $9</font>, Hero calls $9.

Final Pot: $47.85

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.30 BB (5 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($59.25)
SB ($34.35)
BB ($36.95)
UTG ($95.75)
Hero ($139.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/9c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/8c.gif.
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $1.05</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $3.6</font>, [color=#666666]3 folds</font>, UTG calls $2.55.

Flop: ($7.65) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/as.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/7d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/6h.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
UTG checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $6.3</font>, [color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $21.9</font>, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $67.2</font>, [color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $114.05 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $31.25.

Turn: ($204.55) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ks.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($204.55) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5d.gif [color=#0000FF](2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $204.55

john voight 11-10-2007 06:22 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
isnt that HH a bute

vixticator 11-10-2007 06:25 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
LOL what's up with people fistpump instacalling in SNG's for 15xbb with suited connectors?

Lego05 11-10-2007 06:30 AM

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LOL what's up with people fistpump instacalling in SNG's for 15xbb with suited connectors?

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Daniel Negranuea on TV....but they forget the implied odds part?? I dunno.


Or they get pissed you're going all-in so much so they see a suited connector and decide to teach you a lesson (by gambling against you with a bit of a worse hand than you have). Again...I dunno.


Ask one of them.

john voight 11-10-2007 06:35 AM

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http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/335...0232136_rs.jpg



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NL Newbie 11-10-2007 06:54 AM

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Beat: Havent played poker for a while, im bored of it.

i think its a beat, dunno though since life EV really flys up when this occurs.

SHOOTER is an awesome film.
Stranglehold is an awesome game.
PES is awesome too.

Thats all folks

Spurious 11-10-2007 07:33 AM

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PES = Pro Evolution Soccer?

I dont like all the new soccer video games

NL Newbie 11-10-2007 07:35 AM

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Yeah, dude that game is awesome.
Owns fifa IMO,even though they have rights to basic things (Although we got the names, woot).

Oh also, The frays concert was awesome.

kroeliewoelie 11-10-2007 07:47 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
10NL = easy

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7941/10nlisezig9.jpg

Spurious 11-10-2007 08:00 AM

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not bad not bad

creamfillin 11-10-2007 08:09 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
god damn... busted 12th in a 10$ donkament cause of a stupid squeeze with A9.. BLAGEGHHEGHO#GOH@#G@(O)H923go90123t

hennnerz 11-10-2007 10:21 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
lmao 72% VPIP from the button!

SHOOTER is awesome I agree NL, I just watched Shoot em up and quite enjoyed that too.

Hebel 11-10-2007 10:59 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
I keep getting raised on the river when i have monsters, shoving, and having my opponent fold. Am I doing something wrong?

thac 11-10-2007 11:01 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Nope, that's very very standard. I've had it twice this past week.. I don't get it ever.

hennnerz 11-10-2007 11:03 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Wish me luck brew. I am re-installing XP. If not back within 48 hours send out a search party.

MrWooster 11-10-2007 11:11 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Anyone else having problems logging into stars?

Nemesis69 11-10-2007 11:23 AM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Sigh, I'm off to a family dinner (gf family) AGAIN. Won't be playing poker today. ITS THE [censored] WEEKEND.

Berky 11-10-2007 12:15 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
Had whyzze sweat me over a short session today, it went rather well It hought considering it was the first time either of us did it. Was only up about ~30 on 50NL but that's because I copped a 3rd nut flush over Nut flush cooler against a total fish and got slow rolled ont her iver.


Thanks again whyzze

thing85 11-10-2007 12:27 PM

Re: ***uNL Microbrew Thread*** NOV 2007 (ot)
 
'Morning Brew. Do I do another hand marathon today or take it easy and play a bunch of $6.50 turbos? Or should I do something productive that isn't poker-related?


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