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deagle185 03-08-2007 04:48 AM

Stars $30 FT: TT 5 handed
 
The final table of $30 freezeout. The table's been pretty tight and very responsive to preflop aggression.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t8000 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t110319)
SB (t146178)
BB (t231290)
UTG (t177356)
Hero (t135857)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t19400</font>, Button calls t19400, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t40400) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t22700</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t45400</font>, Hero?


He took quite a while to call preflop, but he insta minraised the flop. What should I do?

Cornell Fiji 03-08-2007 04:55 AM

Re: Stars $30 FT: TT 5 handed
 
I shove but I'm not excited about it.

With 65,000 dead money in the pot I am too stubborn to let this one go.

I shove rather than call because I don't want to check the turn only to see it check through and give him 6 outs twice. Any bet on the turn is pot committing and a shove is only going to get called by a hand that beats you so this is a shove/fold situation.

If you have been really tight I might be more inclined to fold. If you have been really loose this is an easy call. If the villain has been really tight I am folding but if he has been LAGGY this is an instacall

Loc0Loc0 03-08-2007 04:56 AM

Re: Stars $30 FT: TT 5 handed
 
Instaminraise... looks like a draw more than a set.

With a set he would look at your image for like 5 sec and than make a bet fitting to your image/playstyle.

I think I would shove here. Your holding only 90K behind if you lay it down. It would be a 50/50 shot I think. With some runner/runner outs for you i think your in front here slightly.

TheFoxNL 03-08-2007 05:01 AM

Re: Stars $30 FT: TT 5 handed
 
Shove it
unless hes been really thight id fold

Loc0Loc0 03-08-2007 05:08 AM

Re: Stars $30 FT: TT 5 handed
 
A good tight player wouldnt miniraise a flop like this without a draw.

Because when he is miniraising with a decent hand JJ/QQ/or Set... he can expect a push from any NFD/OESFD and he could be outdrawed. While we should take in mind that the pot is allready big enough to pick it up right now. So the miniraise would be a draw of somekind i would say.

So i think with a the information we have it is a 50/50 to call and with the short stack behind i would shove.

deagle185 03-08-2007 05:11 AM

Re: Stars $30 FT: TT 5 handed
 
I've been definitely one of more aggressive players at the table doing a lot of steals, a few resteals, and flop cbets. I thought the insta minraise was either a set or slowplayed monster preflop. In hindsight dropping probably was better because I'm left with 90k or so, and I can just keep stealing because others were playing tight.

Anyway this is how it turned out:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t8000 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t110319)
SB (t146178)
BB (t231290)
UTG (t177356)
Hero (t135857)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t19400</font>, Button calls t19400, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t40400) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t22700</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t45400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t116057</font>, Button calls t45119 (All-In).

Turn: (t246976) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t246976) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t246976

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ts Tc (one pair, tens).
Button has Ks Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins t221438. Hero wins t25538. </font>

Thanks a lot for the feedback.

Loc0Loc0 03-08-2007 05:14 AM

Re: Stars $30 FT: TT 5 handed
 
Why didnt u put him on a draw? AsKs?

Cornell Fiji 03-08-2007 05:16 AM

Re: Stars $30 FT: TT 5 handed
 
[ QUOTE ]
I've been definitely one of more aggressive players at the table doing a lot of steals, a few resteals, and flop cbets. I thought the insta minraise was either a set or slowplayed monster preflop. In hindsight dropping probably was better because I'm left with 90k or so, and I can just keep stealing because others were playing tight.

Anyway this is how it turned out:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t8000 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t110319)
SB (t146178)
BB (t231290)
UTG (t177356)
Hero (t135857)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t19400</font>, Button calls t19400, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t40400) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t22700</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t45400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t116057</font>, Button calls t45119 (All-In).

Turn: (t246976) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t246976) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t246976

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Ts Tc (one pair, tens).
Button has Ks Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Button wins t221438. Hero wins t25538. </font>

Thanks a lot for the feedback.

[/ QUOTE ]


Don't be results oriented.

He minraised a flop that is likely to miss a preflop raiser. If you have been aggro he could be making this play with anything that he called preflop with.

Loc0Loc0 03-08-2007 05:22 AM

Re: Stars $30 FT: TT 5 handed
 
I don't like his line of playing KK here.

By min raising here you are really risking a CF with a NFD imo.


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