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jackatwork 11-30-2007 10:46 AM

Re: KK is 3bet allin to CB
 
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and lol at making > pot 3bet preflop, wtf? is that going to make QQ not call?

[/ QUOTE ]Of course QQ is going to call if we make a larger 3bet preflop, that's sort of the point. If villain is facing a bet of $4 (I think it was?) then he's basically getting odds to call for set value. He's going to call with thsoe smaller pairs most of the time for 6 or 7 as well, but now he's making a mistake.

Lego05 11-30-2007 10:47 AM

Re: KK is 3bet allin to CB
 
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I think we have to add KQ, AK diamonds, T9 diamonds

and yes i stack off here

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i think that's horrible. no reads. UTG raiser. and lol at making > pot 3bet preflop, wtf? is that going to make QQ not call?

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A raise to 7 would have been a pot sized raise actually (actually no...missed the UTG poster...pot sized raised would have been to $7.50.)

And no it won't make QQ not call....it will make QQ put in more money with 20% equity against you....and it will make all those other hands that KK is crushing put in more money as a big dog. I woulda raised to $8 pre-flop most likely...certainly no less than $7.50


And the flop is a really easy call. Hero is getting 2 to 1 so only needs 33% equity:


Even against a really tight range of AA,QQ,JJ,AQs,and 4 out of 9 AQo combos hero has greater than 33% equity:


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

18,810 games 0.005 secs 3,762,000 games/sec

Board: Jc Qd 7d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.784% 35.78% 00.00% 6731 0.00 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 64.216% 64.22% 00.00% 12079 0.00 { AA, QcQh, QcQs, QhQs, JdJh, JdJs, JhJs, AcQc, AhQh, AsQs, AcQs, AdQs, AhQs, AsQh }

Lego05 11-30-2007 10:50 AM

Re: KK is 3bet allin to CB
 
Oh also I think the flop bet is bigger than necessary. Most of the time in 3bet pots a 2/3 cbet is fine....and if you just increase the bet size with good hands that can be noticed. And you would still get all-in easily by betting like $9 on the flop.

matrix 11-30-2007 11:00 AM

Re: KK is 3bet allin to CB
 
beat his chips into the pot with your SNAP call.

Your flop bet is too big and your preflop raise is too small.

~$8.50 preflop - and bet 1/2 - 2/3 at the very most on the flop.

Altreg 12-01-2007 04:14 AM

Re: KK is 3bet allin to CB
 
insta call


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