NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

I didnt have a hud up but this guy was nuts. Id estimate him around 50/15. He calls almost all of my raises, and my first hand at the table (about 30 min ago) he bluffed off a stack into my 2pair on a real dangerous board. So he pretty much thinks im a retard (not far off). He gives me no credit since i was running 24/24 this session but now i picked up a draw on the turn. What do i do here?


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Button ($11.50)
Hero ($60.55)
BB ($36.60)
UTG ($18.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ?</font>

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

I'm confused about PF. Given your read that he's calling raises very lightly, why do you want to steal w/ a marginal hand OOP?

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

I would check/call this turn, because you dont want to keep inflating the pot against a calling station, unless youre willing to bluff the river if you miss.

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

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I would check/call this turn, because you dont want to keep inflating the pot against a calling station, unless youre willing to bluff the river if you miss.

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He was calling station preflop, post flop he was actually pretty nitty, which is why i thought about betting to push him off a weak pair. He folded alot aft the first hand, but he may be getting sick of it idk

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

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I'm confused about PF. Given your read that he's calling raises very lightly, why do you want to steal w/ a marginal hand OOP?

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K7 can actually crush his range and hes horrid post flop, so i wanna play as many hands with him as possible

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

Do you have his call c-bet%?

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

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Do you have his call c-bet%?

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I didnt at the table so its really not applicable, but if i had to guess itd be around 50% maybe?

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

Also he went to sd alot, but not much against me

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

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I'm confused about PF. Given your read that he's calling raises very lightly, why do you want to steal w/ a marginal hand OOP?

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K7 can actually crush his range and hes horrid post flop, so i wanna play as many hands with him as possible

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Fair enough. If we count K's as 1 out to discount him having an A then you have 10 outs worth of equity here. With implied odds you could probably c/c a small bet and hope to stack him him you hit the flush on the river.

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

I'd check. I mean it's hard for him to call a c-bet on this board without at least a queen and he's probably the type to call a second barrel with middle pair trying to hit his 2-pair/trips and definitely isn't folding an ace. Just check.. hope he checks behind. I'm not going to go nuts with a FD OOP with one card to come.

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I'm confused about PF. Given your read that he's calling raises very lightly, why do you want to steal w/ a marginal hand OOP?

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K7 can actually crush his range and hes horrid post flop, so i wanna play as many hands with him as possible

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Fair enough. If we count K's as 1 out to discount him having an A then you have 10 outs worth of equity here. With implied odds you could probably c/c a small bet and hope to stack him him you hit the flush on the river.

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doesnt that make my hand look like a draw and get me less implied odds on the river?

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

Hmm...I suppose so. Yeah, b/f is probably better and costs the same since we can c/f the river if we miss.

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

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Hmm...I suppose so. Yeah, b/f is probably better and costs the same since we can c/f the river if we miss.

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Button ($11.50)
Hero ($60.55)
BB ($36.60)
UTG ($18.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3.

River: ($11) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $4.5</font>, Hero ??



i dont like a guy with low aggression calling 2 barrels then betting. Do i count my K as a winner?

edit: but its sooooo smallll!!!

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

This turn bet is like handing away money, make it like 4$ or more if you're going to bet. I can't imagine anyone folding to it after calling on the flop. I wouldn't call this river because it reeks of an ace getting value.

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This turn bet is like handing away money, make it like 4$ or more if you're going to bet. I can't imagine anyone folding to it after calling on the flop. I wouldn't call this river because it reeks of an ace getting value.

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i feel like 3 has ~ the same fe as 4, either he has Ax or Qx or he doesnt. I agree about the river but i think the turn bet gives a good set up to cash in on a good river

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

Heh. Yeah I can't fold to a bet that small, especially if you could be inducing a bluff from a Q.

Damn fool probably has TJ though.

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

ooo this may also be applicable, from about 20 hands prior

Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($88.85)
SB ($30.72)
Hero ($43.85)
UTG ($18)
MP ($54.86)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, UTG calls $1.

Flop: ($2.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, UTG calls $2.

Turn: ($6.60) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, UTG calls $5.

River: ($16.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $26.60

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

Pjo, can you post his name? Would help w/ reads and such.

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Pjo, can you post his name? Would help w/ reads and such.

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PFHCKY9

first time i ever saw him btw

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

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Hmm...I suppose so. Yeah, b/f is probably better and costs the same since we can c/f the river if we miss.

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Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($11.50)
Hero ($60.55)
BB ($36.60)
UTG ($18.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, BB calls $3.

River: ($11) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $4.5</font>, Hero ??



i dont like a guy with low aggression calling 2 barrels then betting. Do i count my K as a winner?

edit: but its sooooo smallll!!!

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preflop and flop seem fine to me. turn i think i like a check. u r typically behind on the turn and as u said given ur image and read i cant image we have much FE so i think i check and see wut he does.

now on the river as played i think u have to fold. he would have to bluff a lot in this place and i dont see him doin this nearly enough to make a call good here given how their really isnt a big draw out their for him to make it to the river without an A or better

idk it seems to me that whenever i make these calls im shown Ax like everytime

Re: NL25: att to steal, do i give up?
 

This guy is a calling station pre flop, nitty post flop but also tries some maniac bluffs post flop.

With K7s there is no need to raise even though you are ahead of his range. You should just call 1 BB pre flop and check / fold unless you hit. If you do hit then you can trap by acting weak with small bets etc., hoping he'll go crazy.

You should only raise pre flop with your big hands, and because he is loose it should be 6 BB or more. Keep upping the PF raise until he tightens back to normal. Then you can lower it a notch or two.

This type of player is much more often a calling station post flop so you should keep an eye out to see if he falls into that style after some time.