Ok turn check?
 

Disregard preflop. Its what happens when I have been playing too much NL.

Anyways.

Button is 40/10 fish. BB is unknown but seems good / non fishy.

I usually check behind turn but I figured he has 4 outs a lot so giving out a free card isnt that terrible and I save myself the agony of getting c/r'ed

FPS?

Just valuebet both turn and river?

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks....


Oh and plese dont redirect to MHSSH. Nothing happens there.

Re: Ok turn check?
 

I would bet. I think we have a lot of equity against his range. He could be trapping with a high PP/set but then he risks a FC. I think he will call the turn with a lot of his 4 outs hands.

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I would bet.
It is much more likely that the lack of a threebet on flop is a holding that is not going to checkraise turn. And It is by no means a disaster if you get checkraised.

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I see no value in a bet due to that specific card. I would say that is almost the worst card in the deck (the diamond helps you obviously.) All straight draws just got there or out-paired you and he's not folding. If he had an 8 he's still ahead and if he had a 6 he's likely out kicking you. This leaves you with a decision on the river, but I would probably fold if he bets and I don't improve.

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I see no value in a bet due to that specific card. I would say that is almost the worst card in the deck (the diamond helps you obviously.) All straight draws just got there or out-paired you and he's not folding. If he had an 8 he's still ahead and if he had a 6 he's likely out kicking you. This leaves you with a decision on the river, but I would probably fold if he bets and I don't improve.

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Villain 3-bet pf and b/c this ragged board. Why do you put him on 8x or 7x or a SD?

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I see no value in a bet due to that specific card. I would say that is almost the worst card in the deck (the diamond helps you obviously.) All straight draws just got there or out-paired you and he's not folding. If he had an 8 he's still ahead and if he had a 6 he's likely out kicking you. This leaves you with a decision on the river, but I would probably fold if he bets and I don't improve.

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Villain 3-bet pf and b/c this ragged board. Why do you put him on 8x or 7x or a SD?

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Because I misread the action. Oops. You're right, standard bet on the turn.

Re: Ok turn check?
 

He is drawing for overcards many times and you should make him pay for that.

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I would bet the turn and probably the river for value too if he just calls. People never fold AK on rag boards HU these days. If he has an overpair, then he misplayed his hand by not 3betting the flop. If he has AK you are getting at least one more bet out of him.

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Edit to OP:

I dont "usually check behind on the turn". I usually bet the turn


I still think its close because he should be folding overcards here in which case I loose value whenever he would have put in a bet with those on the river if I check.

If he has an overpair checking is obviously best

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Also,

"Hi, I misplayed my hand preflop, so please critque my play on this situation I shouldn't even be in in the first place."

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Why should he be folding overcards? He's getting 7.75-1 to see the river, which is what he needs for a 6-outer. That card isn't good for him either, even if he has an overpair, so there is a chance he just calls with it on the turn instead of raising. If I were in his spot with AK I would be calling the turn and I would be worried about that turn card if I had an overpair because it hits most of the draws you could have had. You should be happy if he folds overcards here.

Re: Ok turn check?
 

I don't mind the free card here. What do all the books say about way ahead or way behind? He's either got you crushed and you have your outs or you're winning vs AK or similar.

What's the plan on the river?

If he hits his flush or 2 pr or trips fairly easy.

What if an ace or king hits?

What if blank comes?

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I usually check behind turn but I figured he has 4 outs a lot so giving out a free card isnt that terrible and I save myself the agony of getting c/r'ed


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Am I the only one who doesn't agonize over a check-raise when I hold a super-hidden hand that not only may be best, but has 17 outs including the super-duper-sexy backdoor flush?

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this is exactly the opposite of way ahead way behind

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I usually check behind turn but I figured he has 4 outs a lot so giving out a free card isnt that terrible and I save myself the agony of getting c/r'ed


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Am I the only one who doesn't agonize over a check-raise when I hold a super-hidden hand that not only may be best, but has 17 outs including the super-duper-sexy backdoor flush?

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Are you saying that you do or don't agonize? If you don't really mind getting CR then I 100% agree, though C/R makes river play trickier, as aside from spiking trips/two pair any card that 'helps' me hit a possible PF 3-betting hand that could conceivably play this way.

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I don't agonize. Our hand is invisible and we have position.

I love these spots. We're only a 60/40 dog to AA here and if we hit, we get in a raise.

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oink,
looking at it from villain's perspective:
you raised the flop after I'm marked with a very tight range. I just called, which looks like I don't have much. Then the card that completes every single flop draw turns. Now you check.

Conclusion: You are probably a NL fish and I'm still not putting in another bet with ak UI.

Anyhow there are some A9/AT/KT/55 hands that you'd like to charge to draw and who knows he might've picked up a FD or something too.

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gotta bet this

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Yeah, checking gives overs infinite odds. Also you get value from AK, AQ, which would definitely call a turn bet.

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You have to bet. You usually have the best hand, and if he folds a 4 or 5 out hand in a 7BB pot it's ok, it's not a disaster.

I value bet river too against most people...

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Conclusion: You are probably a NL fish and I'm still not putting in another bet with ak UI

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Spot on! I checked and he c/f'ed brick river [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Conclusion: You are probably a NL fish and I'm still not putting in another bet with ak UI

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Spot on! I checked and he c/f'ed brick river [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I was just getting back to offer some support, but I see you have given up [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

You were thinking like this?

His range is ~99+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo (don't know what players 3-bet this high). If u bet he will fold all OC's hand (not [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) and CR his PP. But if we check he will put in a bet on the river with his entire range.

If this was true a check is better. But I believe he will call the turn with many of his OC's hands. Especially if u had been fooling around with 64s type of hands [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Also we can not be sure he pay off with say KQ UI and if not we are just giving a FC without getting anything back.

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Villain 3-bet pf and b/c this ragged board. Why do you put him on 8x or 7x or a SD?

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I wouldn't, and that why I think the turn is an easy bet.

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Spot on Sushi

Unfortunately he could read hands or he just had KQ [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I am a parrot but I do think its a closer spot than it seems if we knew that villain will fold oc's to a bet but put in a bet on river if turn checks through.

However if he can read hands this wont happen or if he will call both turn and river with Ax its better to just bet and bet.

I was overthinking it and should wait with the valuecheck for other spots.