Re: Ok turn check?
 

Why should he be folding overcards? He's getting 7.75-1 to see the river, which is what he needs for a 6-outer. That card isn't good for him either, even if he has an overpair, so there is a chance he just calls with it on the turn instead of raising. If I were in his spot with AK I would be calling the turn and I would be worried about that turn card if I had an overpair because it hits most of the draws you could have had. You should be happy if he folds overcards here.

Re: Ok turn check?
 

I don't mind the free card here. What do all the books say about way ahead or way behind? He's either got you crushed and you have your outs or you're winning vs AK or similar.

What's the plan on the river?

If he hits his flush or 2 pr or trips fairly easy.

What if an ace or king hits?

What if blank comes?

Re: Ok turn check?
 

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I usually check behind turn but I figured he has 4 outs a lot so giving out a free card isnt that terrible and I save myself the agony of getting c/r'ed


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Am I the only one who doesn't agonize over a check-raise when I hold a super-hidden hand that not only may be best, but has 17 outs including the super-duper-sexy backdoor flush?

Re: Ok turn check?
 

this is exactly the opposite of way ahead way behind

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I usually check behind turn but I figured he has 4 outs a lot so giving out a free card isnt that terrible and I save myself the agony of getting c/r'ed


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Am I the only one who doesn't agonize over a check-raise when I hold a super-hidden hand that not only may be best, but has 17 outs including the super-duper-sexy backdoor flush?

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Are you saying that you do or don't agonize? If you don't really mind getting CR then I 100% agree, though C/R makes river play trickier, as aside from spiking trips/two pair any card that 'helps' me hit a possible PF 3-betting hand that could conceivably play this way.

Re: Ok turn check?
 

I don't agonize. Our hand is invisible and we have position.

I love these spots. We're only a 60/40 dog to AA here and if we hit, we get in a raise.

Re: Ok turn check?
 

oink,
looking at it from villain's perspective:
you raised the flop after I'm marked with a very tight range. I just called, which looks like I don't have much. Then the card that completes every single flop draw turns. Now you check.

Conclusion: You are probably a NL fish and I'm still not putting in another bet with ak UI.

Anyhow there are some A9/AT/KT/55 hands that you'd like to charge to draw and who knows he might've picked up a FD or something too.

Re: Ok turn check?
 

gotta bet this

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gotta bet this

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Yeah, checking gives overs infinite odds. Also you get value from AK, AQ, which would definitely call a turn bet.

Re: Ok turn check?
 

You have to bet. You usually have the best hand, and if he folds a 4 or 5 out hand in a 7BB pot it's ok, it's not a disaster.

I value bet river too against most people...